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me so tr000, all of you are unworthy....

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Eyesore wrote:
But you are spoiled. That's a fact.

I don't see why being spoiled is a bad thing, I mean isn't that just a sign of abundance? We who are fortunate enough to live in industrialized, comparably rich countries are spoiled when it comes to food and drinking water, a luxury a large portion of the world cannot afford. Is that a negative thing? Would we be better off poor?
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Some fans may appreciate the music more, but in general the LOVE of music is minimal compared to even just 10 years ago, let alone 15 or 20.

These are the sort of statements that I personally would be very careful to make, especially as it attempts to measure and quantify something which can be neither quantified nor measured (love of music).
We may have loved music more when we were younger than we do now, but that has nothing to do with either piracy or availability, but rather age.
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Even those, like yourself, that buys albums, you still have a lot that you've downloaded, right? You don't think that affects the band?

Directly, no. If we wish to keep things factual, then loss of sales is the only factor that affects bands in this way. Piracy is a possible cause for loss of sales, but one I have not seen any reliable independent study proven. Negative reviews can also be a cause.

Comparing "kids today" with kids when I was young and just started to appreciate music (early 80's), I can tell you that they own more legally purchased music than I ever did. The only difference is the internet which provides them with more information about bands and more copied music. There's one fact that a lot of people tend to forget: kids are poor.


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@ the Cellador example:

Most metalheads still buy next to downloading, as is also showing in the reactions in this thread. Where would the ones be that downloaded Cellador, had they not had that possibility? Now the logical assumption is that they have bought it instead, but that is an erroneous one. This average "kid" would most likely not have known Cellador, for he would be stuck with the latest Metallica or Limp Bizkit! That's why Metallica makes suck a big point about downloading, it does not only keep people from buying their records, it also makes people lose their interest in their records when they find out there is so much more. For the underground, downloading is not so bad of a movement, the income of a band relies mostly on touring, as we know, and people knowing the bands that play are more likely to visit the concert, ay? For the mainstream, downloading is a deathstab, but those people can swim in their money already.



Funny thing is Chris from Cellador downloads more than your average spoiled hardcore kiddie. But he also has a collection to back it up. Still, he doesn’t care about the sales. It's all about the music for him. He wants people to hear his music at any cost. He thinks its funny to see himself on tv or at best buy, and he doesn't view it as being a successful metal band. Just thought I'd throw that in there.


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I don't see why anyone needs 50 new albums a week? 2 or 3 a month does me fine because lets face it, most stuff is either shit or repetitive. It makes no difference to people if it is free or not, everything is "ok" when it is free. That why there are so many shit bands.

I could care less really, but if you download stuff from small labels like Barbarian Wrath and other Kvlt ones you are shit for not giving them 15 bucks. You want to rob NB or CM or whoever yeah, they can take the hit, but at least throw some bucks out there to folks who need it.


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following the reaper wrote:
It does kinda piss me off when someone goes "This song only has 20 time changes, i need at least 60 in a song to maintain my interest" :unsure:

eye wub ewe tew


I download because its fucking impossible for me to tell if I'll like a band until i hear pretty much a whole album by them. and pretty much every time I've bought an album by a band I haven't heard I haven't liked it.


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@ Ken

Dead Can Dance huh? Looks like we finally have a band in common! :lol: I'll henceforthly refer to them as Dead Ken Dance.

:)

Yeah, DCD are awesome. I love Brendan Perry's solo album (wish he'd done more) and all of Lisa Gerrard's solo/soundtrack work. I hope they get that new album out soon.

And just for the record, I download music. In case anyone thinks I'm being self-righteous here.


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I buy CDs and never download, mostly because of my achingly slow interent connection. Living in the UK, I personally find that you really have to take chances on buying music, as there is almost no way to hear good metal over here without your friends playing it for you, or just taking the plunge and buying the album. Recently I've found some great stuff which I would never hear otherwise


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noodles wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
It does kinda piss me off when someone goes "This song only has 20 time changes, i need at least 60 in a song to maintain my interest" :unsure:

eye wub ewe tew


I download because its fucking impossible for me to tell if I'll like a band until i hear pretty much a whole album by them. and pretty much every time I've bought an album by a band I haven't heard I haven't liked it.


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Eyesore wrote:
Misha wrote:
@ Ken

Dead Can Dance huh? Looks like we finally have a band in common! :lol: I'll henceforthly refer to them as Dead Ken Dance.

:)

Yeah, DCD are awesome. I love Brendan Perry's solo album (wish he'd done more) and all of Lisa Gerrard's solo/soundtrack work. I hope they get that new album out soon.

And just for the record, I download music. In case anyone thinks I'm being self-righteous here.


Count me in on liking Dead Can Dance too, I have heard some Black Tape for a Blue Girl which I like as well. I have to be way in the mood, but is good music.


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Def Leppard and Journey are for whoozies

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Doctor of Metal wrote:
Def Leppard and Journey are for whoozies

:blink:

What's a whoozie? :huh:


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nonono Ken, i meant that my favourite genre is metal, but that i listen to things outside metal without any problem.

as for downloading, cd's in Portugal cost 15-20€, even old ones. i'm sorry, i'll buy the shirt or the concert ticket before i pay 15 euros for the cd!!

i have less that 100 "real" albums and tons of downloaded ones, buit trust me, when i start making my own money i'll be happy to spend it on the albums i downloaded and loved.

also, on killing music: with HUGE bands like Metallica it doesn't make much of a difference (st anger sucked and leaked and it still did well), and for new bands it's a good way to get their music out there, i think that the ones that suffer the most are the "middle" bands, like The Crown (they split up because of this, right?).

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noodles wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
It does kinda piss me off when someone goes "This song only has 20 time changes, i need at least 60 in a song to maintain my interest" :unsure:

eye wub ewe tew


I download because its fucking impossible for me to tell if I'll like a band until i hear pretty much a whole album by them. and pretty much every time I've bought an album by a band I haven't heard I haven't liked it.


Boys, boys, boys, cant you download just one song or two? I still :wub: you both, but downloading is totally evil.

Dont you ever find you get bored of albums in like five seconds because of the instant gratification of downloading? I did.


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Congratulations on the Editorial

I love metal since my teen yeays, I'm 28 now. I have to say that I agree with you in almost everything. I belive that metal is a sub-culture, and I am proud of being a metalhead.

YET, I belive that a kid that loves Hip-hop, or rap is part of a diferent (not shitty or bad) sub-culture too. I suport metal, I live metal, I consider myself a part of that culture, the rap kid does it too. AND THAT IS GOOD.

I grew up listening to my father albuns and K7, Supertramp, Beatles, Bob Marley, Adamo, and the list goes on... And I still love it all (except Adamo, that i never liked).

I belong to a sub-culture (Metal) that loves metal music expecifically, but doesn't have to be close minded. I apreciate music in it's diferent forms. To be a metalhead you have to suport the scene, and belong to the scene, but if you don't, YOU ARE NOT a Metalhead, you don't fell like part of this sub-culture, you just like this music AND THAT'S FINE TOO, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Just like, I love some reagae, but i don't belong to that culture. It's the same thing. I don't discriminate anybody for liking metal, and not being a metalhead, most of my friends are like that.

Unfortunatly there are stupid people everywhere, and some metalheads are stupid, and they can be very closed-minded.

On the Download subject, I must say that I don't download, I belive that (all) music is an art form, the booksheet inside the cd, the drawing on the cd and in the cover etc. I like my art complete.
I have some cd copies that I'm trying to substitute for original cd's.

P.s. - Sorry for the extended reply.


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There's no doubt that metalheads are just as self-righteous about their listening habits as are, say, Classical or Jazz-onlies. I listen to everything from Grindcore to Gangster rap, and although I can see the argument coming a mile off, I still say that makes me feel better than if I just listened to black metal exclusively.

As for the downloading thing, it's absolutely right - I download maybe an album every two weeks, and am already at the point where I find myself with no time to listen to it. What's the point, when I get more pleasure from an actual CD?


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I'm married so I can't afford new music very often. And I don't download because I'm not a fan of youth McCulture.


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Oh man, I can't believe I missed this post. Now I have the chance to tell you all that you're gay and that my musical tastes are far superior to all of yours. Coincidentally I just got the unreleased Anvil Chorus album in the mail and am proceeding to be truer...and culter(?) than all of you. :D Good day to you all.


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following the reaper wrote:
Dont you ever find you get bored of albums in like five seconds because of the instant gratification of downloading? I did.

yeah probably, i listened to a Crowpath album yesterday and was like "meh", even though it was pretty good, although I think thats also becuase I've heard way too many bands that sound exactly like them (because of downloading :P).


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I find the timing of this quite amusing.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... emID=56581


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Carnifex Umbris wrote:
I find the timing of this quite amusing.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... emID=56581


Indeed. He's right there, I couldn't have lived with knowing that the new Mastodon album is a click away. I'm definitely buying it when it comes out, so it doesn't really matter. I could even delete it if I think it's going to get boring.


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