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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:32 am 
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warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.

Furthermore, this album sucks. Who would care much about Orphaned Land if it weren't for their feel-good 'we are ALL brothers of the desert god" bullshit.


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Mabool was one of the first metal albums I picked up, though I haven't heard this album as of yet.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.


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rio wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.


Oh, the Graveland review. Haha. I guess I just blanked based on Zad saying Nokturnal Mortum would not be reviewed here.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
rio wrote:
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warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.


Oh, the Graveland review. Haha. I guess I just blanked based on Zad saying Nokturnal Mortum would not be reviewed here.


Yeah, we had Purity by Hate Forest getting 90/100 a while back as well...


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Doesn't Burzum count too? :unsure:


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rio wrote:
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warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.

Why are moralising political jabs necessary in a review that is not about NSBM? Or in any review, really.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
rio wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.

Why are moralising political jabs necessary in a review that is not about NSBM? Or in any review, really.


It's necessary in an NSBM review because most reviewers here aren't willing to ignore all that bullshit without calling the bands out. I am obviously not going to review something that is effectively nazi propaganda without making some form of comment. (This is why you won't see me reviewing any of that bollocks at all, of course) It isn't necessary in this review, but then it's only mentioned in passing for comparative purposes- you're the one making a deal out of it.


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I didn't see the need to call out NSBM in particular for it. Most of extreme metal is about divisiveness rather than camaraderie.


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rio wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
rio wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.


Oh, the Graveland review. Haha. I guess I just blanked based on Zad saying Nokturnal Mortum would not be reviewed here.


Yeah, we had Purity by Hate Forest getting 90/100 a while back as well...


I was under the impression that Hate Forest wasn't really NSBM. That band seemed very unclear, politically.


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Burzum is not NSBM.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
Burzum is not NSBM.
But he is a quasi-Nazi which would justify the confusion.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
rio wrote:
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rio wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
warfleloup wrote:
What's wrong with what Zadok wrote?


Maybe because it isn't necessary? Because after all, this site has a policy of ignoring NSBM.


It doesn't anymore, making it necessary.


Oh, the Graveland review. Haha. I guess I just blanked based on Zad saying Nokturnal Mortum would not be reviewed here.


Yeah, we had Purity by Hate Forest getting 90/100 a while back as well...


I was under the impression that Hate Forest wasn't really NSBM. That band seemed very unclear, politically.


They are into Aryan and Slavic mythology, as well as Nationalism, which, of course means they're 'Nazis", dintcha know?....

Any pride in heritage, land and culture shown by whites is automaticlally deemed as racist nazism in this sick world, you know that.


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traptunderice wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
Burzum is not NSBM.
But he is a quasi-Nazi which would justify the confusion.


Define Nazi, please.
That term gets thrown around much too much these days.
Has he ever stated that he follows the 25 point program initiated by the NSDAP?
If not, I fail to see how is a National Socialist; a nationalist, yes, an Odinist (Odalist), yes but a nationalist / Odinist is not the same thing as a "Nazi".


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This is the Orphaned Land review thread so can we all shut up about NSBM now please... It's bad enough that we have to have these idiotic discussions whenever something NS related is reviewed, let alone having it pollute the review thread of a perfectly innocent Orphaned Land album. Let this be the end of the matter for this thread at least.


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rio wrote:
This is the Orphaned Land review thread so can we all shut up about NSBM now please... It's bad enough that we have to have these idiotic discussions whenever something NS related is reviewed, let alone having it pollute the review thread of a perfectly innocent Orphaned Land album. Let this be the end of the matter for this thread at least.


Fascist.
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traptunderice wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
Burzum is not NSBM.
But he is a quasi-Nazi which would justify the confusion.

Indeed. The lyrics may not be pro-Nazi but he is or pretty close.


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What did I just say, warfleloup?


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Sorry you forum nazi... :wink:


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Sorry rio, but I think that this deserves a proper response from the author of this piece, since clearly the ones moaning at me haven't read the review properly. Let me just quote the full section here:

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Orphaned Land themselves are warriors of light in the spreading of their message of harmony between races, and their gigs are known to bring together Jew and Muslim in united appreciation of the music, something that is rare in that all-too orphaned land. My colleague Alex has praised the band elsewhere for this, and highlighted it as one of the ways Metal can bring people together rather than push them apart - a feature of our great genre that we're collectively, reader and writer, guilty of paying less attention to than, say, the racist whining of the NSBM scene.


What I'm actually saying is that we, metalheads in general, give NSBM more attention than we do bands like this, that build rather than destroy. And that that situation should be reversed. That's it. That's all. So all this sighing about how 'unnecessary' it is is missing the point completely - I mentioned NSBM because it's a clear example of music that promotes diversity that everyone can understand - I'm not just writing for you keyboard warriors, you know. Christ, I was expecting more complaints about the Graveland review, but apparently dressing like a ninny is less acceptable to u guise than an extremist ideology that 999 out of 1000 people would be horrified at. God. What was I supposed to say, 'the proud and honourable fight of the NSBM bands for their race and noble Aryan heritage?' Sure, because that will look brilliant to passing readers and not at all give this place a reputation! :rolleyes:

I mean, for god's sakes how many non-race-obsessed people do you know who even give two shits about 'aryan mythology'? There is a massive difference in being proud of your country, and being into Aryan mythology, and conflating the two is bloody ridiculous. Fine, Burzum isn't an NSBM band, but Hate Forest might as well be winking at the audience with all the talk of the 'ancient race' and 'pride', and if you're really doubting their message then your heads are buried in the sand. I was bloody fair to Roman Shenko in that review, and none of you sods even commented on it, but one perceived step out of line here, bloody Orphaned Land, and you're all up in arms. Come on.

Now, talk about The Neverending Way Of OR warriOR. This album is great, and deserves much better than all this shit. Any more off-topic comments will almost definitely be deleted - if you must comment further on the way I write about NSBM, take it up with me in another thread or via PM or MSN or email or whatever.


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