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I wonder if Tyler will continue to write for MR. Sure is going to be hard with his credibility gone out the window.


That and his motivation level is probably waaaaaaaay below zero by now.


Hey, at least he got a reaction.


Indeed, as he should have expected. Although he probably never expected us to turn into a pack of wolves ready to tear him into pieces.

And about BFMV and other mainstream metalcore... I don't like BFMV, but you are right about The Fall of Ideals. That one blows almost every other mainstream metalcore album out of the water.


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Now look what you guys have done.
You have his friends and intimates creating accounts so they can defend his review...
Next thing you know, his mother will be here chewing everybody's asses for being so mean.

:lol:

"Mommy, people are mean to me, they don't like my "body of work" (sic)"

Seriously, the guy has been a reviewer for less than two months, has written a few reviews about bands nobody cares about and now he's got a "body of work", next think he'll call it "my grand oeuvre". :lol:

That proves you cannot be a reviewer here unless you hava a serious knowledge of, at least, one particular genre in the metal scene. Recruiting people based on a test review is bullshit. Anyone wanting to join MR's team should be tested on his writing but also on how long he's been into metal, what concerts he has seen, how many cds he owns, etc. Reviewing is serious business and the example of Mr. Tyler proves us how difficult it is to be a good reviewer and that you need more than just writing abilities do be one.


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Epic lulz @ the namedropping in the review, by the way. GNR, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Deftones, Type O Negative. Wow.


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I thought there was something Blindguardianish on City of Evil and something Dannyelfmanish on the "epic" song from their 2007's ST. As for this one, it's definitely KennyGish as to its level of gayness. :lol:

Also, the review should be tagged "Bubble-bath-music-for-the-wanna-be-metal-emofag".


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That proves you cannot be a reviewer here unless you hava a serious knowledge of, at least, one particular genre in the metal scene. Recruiting people based on a test review is bullshit. Anyone wanting to join MR's team should be tested on his writing but also on how long he's been into metal, what concerts he has seen, how many cds he owns, etc. Reviewing is serious business and the example of Mr. Tyler proves us how difficult it is to be a good reviewer and that you need more than just writing abilities do be one.


That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.

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He does not think the album is a 90, thus scoring it as such lacks integrity. Tons of people are going to just look at scores. You know this.

And I'm not looking at this in the worst possible light. If you want to be a reviewer, then do it right. Simple as that. Maybe that's lost on you and the others here at MR, but I think it's ridiculous that someone is allowed to rate an album as nearly perfect when he admits to not thinking it's nearly perfect. It's absurd.


Absolute balls I say, balls of the highest order! If he lacked integrity he would have scored it that high without the explanatory bits, thereby ensuring that even non-morons who actually read the reviews that they base their purchases on are ensnared by the vicious corporate whores at MR. Album ratings are anything but perfect, if it wasn't for said morons who prefer the bright, clean, simplicity of a number to, you know, words, number scores would have been out of the window round about the fall of the Berlin wall.

I like how this is suddenly the MR management's fault, incidentally. If we cracked down on writers as much as you suggest, well, your tenure here would have been eleven months shorter for a start! Tyler made a mistake, all is done, let's move onto better things that we know won't cause any controversy whatsoever, like the surely not far off review of the new Dragonfo-

Oh, shit.


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That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.


I cannae tell if this is sarcastic.

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That proves you cannot be a reviewer here unless you hava a serious knowledge of, at least, one particular genre in the metal scene. Recruiting people based on a test review is bullshit. Anyone wanting to join MR's team should be tested on his writing but also on how long he's been into metal, what concerts he has seen, how many cds he owns, etc. Reviewing is serious business and the example of Mr. Tyler proves us how difficult it is to be a good reviewer and that you need more than just writing abilities do be one.


That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.

Sarcasm?

Actually, a lot of forumites have a greater knowledge than Mr. Tyler.


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How do you know? As you said he has only been writing for the site for a month or so. Who knows if his knowledge has even come to show yet?


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How do you know? As you said he has only been writing for the site for a month or so. Who knows if his knowledge has even come to show yet?

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Tyler is reviewer material...yet.
In a few years, when he's learned his metal, he could be as he clearly knows how to write a review but, alas, knowing how to write a review without the knowledge of the subject is vain.


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Oh bloody hell, of course it's sarcastic. I despair of this frigging place sometimes, maybe it's time I just ignored it for a while to save my head from sudden fatal explosions. Let you fight your little battles over 15 points and a picture of a skeleton on a review of a shitty commercial hard rock band, and what vital and urgent implications this has for the metal scene. SERIOUS BUSINESS.


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Frigid muffed up when he put up the Paramore review and yet he's still here.

Point is that even if you muff up a review so as long as you don't muff up anymore will you prove to us that you belong here as a reviewer.

Tyler screwed up yes and we let him have it but give the kid another chance and let's see if he can make up this mistake he made.


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Of course this is SERIOUS BUSINESS. When you have readers, even if you have one reader, you have to respect a level of quality and, without the knowledge to do so, you're just making a mockery of the website you work for. Credibility is IMPORTANT and a review like this A7X's ceased to be credible once the reviewer admits he gave a few extra points because he wanted to attract attention.


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Frigid muffed up when he put up the Paramore review and yet he's still here.


I didn't muff up jackshit with Paramore, it's a brilliant album and my review is justified.

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Although I agree that this is, in fact, serious business, I do think the point has been made and see no reason to continue this "discussion". Everyone makes a mistake once in a while, and so did Tyler. That doesn't mean he has to be burnt at the stake. The guy obviously knows how to write. Yes, maybe his knowledge of metal isn't as great as those of others, but we don't know that. Move on, listen to great music and await the new reviews that are coming up next week.


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howlin'wolf wrote:
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That proves you cannot be a reviewer here unless you hava a serious knowledge of, at least, one particular genre in the metal scene. Recruiting people based on a test review is bullshit. Anyone wanting to join MR's team should be tested on his writing but also on how long he's been into metal, what concerts he has seen, how many cds he owns, etc. Reviewing is serious business and the example of Mr. Tyler proves us how difficult it is to be a good reviewer and that you need more than just writing abilities do be one.


That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.

Sarcasm?

Actually, a lot of forumites have a greater knowledge than Mr. Tyler.


You have made your point so many times, having worded it in so many different posts throughout this thread, but there is something I don't get. You almost feel pleasure stomping onto this kid's neck, destroying him in front of everybody. What? You are not going to stop until the kid quits? I did not like the bumping of the score, I did not like the "body of work" line of defense after such a short tenure here. The first was the lack of understanding of scoring rules and the second was a lame reaction to being torn to pieces in public.
The reviewer selection process is never going to be perfect. MR review writing is not a business. There will never be an exhaustive, face-to-face, full-day long interview process I employ when I hire people working for my company in real life. If somebody at MR had that much time for such a rigorous process, many of us (possibly including myself) would never make it. There will never be any kind of compensation for review writing and this thing has to hold based solely on passion and enthusiasm. I am sure after your talking to Tyler has none.
If you think he is not credible, skip his writings altogether, ignore him. There is, what, a dozen of other reviewers here, and since you are still around I take it you consider some of those reviews worthy of your time.


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That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.


I cannae tell if this is sarcastic.


You have not been on this Island long enough...


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That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.


I cannae tell if this is sarcastic.


You have not been on this Island long enough...


I speak with the accent already, I'm allowed to write with it. So there.

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He does not think the album is a 90, thus scoring it as such lacks integrity. Tons of people are going to just look at scores. You know this.

And I'm not looking at this in the worst possible light. If you want to be a reviewer, then do it right. Simple as that. Maybe that's lost on you and the others here at MR, but I think it's ridiculous that someone is allowed to rate an album as nearly perfect when he admits to not thinking it's nearly perfect. It's absurd.


Absolute balls I say, balls of the highest order! If he lacked integrity he would have scored it that high without the explanatory bits, thereby ensuring that even non-morons who actually read the reviews that they base their purchases on are ensnared by the vicious corporate whores at MR. Album ratings are anything but perfect, if it wasn't for said morons who prefer the bright, clean, simplicity of a number to, you know, words, number scores would have been out of the window round about the fall of the Berlin wall.


YES! Reviews are meant to be read. They aren't just a blurb introducing some all-important number.

If you read the review there is no deception in Tyler's score. It's pretty clear most people disagree with the reasons for the score, but he explains his rationale and I guess in the future he won't do the same again. All this whining about credibility and who should be a reviewer is beyond pathetic.


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That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.


I cannae tell if this is sarcastic.


You have not been on this Island long enough...


I speak with the accent already, I'm allowed to write with it. So there.


I mean, if you couldn't tell he was being sarcastic :P

The accent is nowt to do with the price of fish.


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rio wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
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Goat wrote:
That's actually a brilliant idea! Why don't you write up some kind of examination paper incorporating your ideas that we can use in the future when assessing potential new reviewers and send it over to me, and I'll be sure to recommend it to the team for next time. After all, as you rightly state, reviewing is 'serious business' and something like this should be implemented so the hive mind that is the MR management can make the right choices! After all, we wouldn't want any random forumites that go past to feel like they're being left out of the process, would we? You know what, in the future, peeps, just sort out some kind of petition when you have an issue with the site or reviewers and send it in, and we'll be sure to treat it with the respect it deserves.


I cannae tell if this is sarcastic.


You have not been on this Island long enough...


I speak with the accent already, I'm allowed to write with it. So there.


I mean, if you couldn't tell he was being sarcastic :P

The accent is nowt to do with the price of fish.


Ah. Well, I'm getting there. Most of sarcasm depends on tone, so I've got some level of an excuse.

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