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 Post subject: 'QUEENSRŸCHE: 'Operation: Mindcrime II' Details Revealed (#1
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:54 am 
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Band news - QUEENSRŸCHE: 'Operation: Mindcrime II' Details Revealed

Published on Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:53 am
Source: Blabbermouth


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:56 am 
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Man I hope this is good.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:59 am 
I know. I don't expect a return to that sound, but I want a good album. They've been OK over the past few. OK doesn't cut it here. There's no word on who is playing Dr. X yet either.


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I know. I don't expect a return to that sound, but I want a good album. They've been OK over the past few. OK doesn't cut it here. There's no word on who is playing Dr. X yet either.


I thought Halford was suppose to play him.

And I do hope they don't blow this one to me Queensryche hasn't had a decent album since Empire so they better get this one right or I will lose faith in this band.

Crosses fingers!!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:55 am 
This record has to kick ass or else hell will open and swallow the entire band, and every album its recorded prior.
It better not be like the Matrix syndrome, first one was killer, then the sequels stunk, and ruined the original (well that happens when any follow up sucks, it cheapens the original).
I dont want a copy of the 88 version, im happy for 05/06 queensryche to deliver, but they HAVE TO DELIVER. The first 'bootlegs' they gave us were actually quite good, Im not asking for a miracle, just a solid album, a solid follow up, they can do it!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:05 am 
I think the most important thing here is the story. Yes, the music obviously should be good, but if they can keep the story interesting then it won't reflect badly on the original. A great story accompanied by great music would be awesome, though, but I think the story is the legacy here.

As for their recent material, MetalStorm, I think Promised Land is their most underrated album! Very dark and moody, but also very, very good. One of my favorites! Their following albums, like I've stated, are decent and I do like them, but they're not albums I listen to often.

And yes, Rob Halford is the rumored Dr. X. They were supposed to announce it like a week and a half ago, but they didn't.


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I think the most important thing here is the story. Yes, the music obviously should be good, but if they can keep the story interesting then it won't reflect badly on the original. A great story accompanied by great music would be awesome, though, but I think the story is the legacy here.

As for their recent material, MetalStorm, I think Promised Land is their most underrated album! Very dark and moody, but also very, very good. One of my favorites! Their following albums, like I've stated, are decent and I do like them, but they're not albums I listen to often.

And yes, Rob Halford is the rumored Dr. X. They were supposed to announce it like a week and a half ago, but they didn't.


The most exciting story of all time, put on some boring music, will make a weak album. The most exciting music, with bad lyrics, will still be interesting. It will always be about the music. So the music better be damn good on this one.

About Halford: maybe they got mad because we found out about him and will now replace him out of spite :D


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:50 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
I think the most important thing here is the story. Yes, the music obviously should be good, but if they can keep the story interesting then it won't reflect badly on the original. A great story accompanied by great music would be awesome, though, but I think the story is the legacy here.

As for their recent material, MetalStorm, I think Promised Land is their most underrated album! Very dark and moody, but also very, very good. One of my favorites! Their following albums, like I've stated, are decent and I do like them, but they're not albums I listen to often.

And yes, Rob Halford is the rumored Dr. X. They were supposed to announce it like a week and a half ago, but they didn't.


The most exciting story of all time, put on some boring music, will make a weak album. The most exciting music, with bad lyrics, will still be interesting. It will always be about the music. So the music better be damn good on this one.

About Halford: maybe they got mad because we found out about him and will now replace him out of spite :D

I disagree. My point was that if the music is bad it doesn't weaken the original story as long as the new story is good. But even if the music is good, or bad, if the new story sucks it seriously reflects badly on the original. The most important thing here is the story.


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As for their recent material, MetalStorm, I think Promised Land is their most underrated album! Very dark and moody, but also very, very good. One of my favorites! Their following albums, like I've stated, are decent and I do like them, but they're not albums I listen to often.


"Promised Land" may be my favorite Queensryche album although even if it is, I wouldn't call it their best one. But it is good, and I think it is better than "Empire". ... As for the stuff that came later though, I haven't cared for that much at all.

I'd like to see this one be a decent album, but I'm awfully skeptical.

-Tyrion


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:42 am 
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As for their recent material, MetalStorm, I think Promised Land is their most underrated album! Very dark and moody, but also very, very good. One of my favorites! Their following albums, like I've stated, are decent and I do like them, but they're not albums I listen to often.


"Promised Land" may be my favorite Queensryche album although even if it is, I wouldn't call it their best one. But it is good, and I think it is better than "Empire". ... As for the stuff that came later though, I haven't cared for that much at all.

I'd like to see this one be a decent album, but I'm awfully skeptical.

-Tyrion

I think it'll be more like their recent output when it comes to style, but I just hope the songs are catchier. They've been a bit boring as of late, nothing's been very catchy, really.


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Eyesore wrote:
I think the most important thing here is the story. Yes, the music obviously should be good, but if they can keep the story interesting then it won't reflect badly on the original. A great story accompanied by great music would be awesome, though, but I think the story is the legacy here.

As for their recent material, MetalStorm, I think Promised Land is their most underrated album! Very dark and moody, but also very, very good. One of my favorites! Their following albums, like I've stated, are decent and I do like them, but they're not albums I listen to often.

And yes, Rob Halford is the rumored Dr. X. They were supposed to announce it like a week and a half ago, but they didn't.


The most exciting story of all time, put on some boring music, will make a weak album. The most exciting music, with bad lyrics, will still be interesting. It will always be about the music. So the music better be damn good on this one.

About Halford: maybe they got mad because we found out about him and will now replace him out of spite :D

I disagree. My point was that if the music is bad it doesn't weaken the original story as long as the new story is good. But even if the music is good, or bad, if the new story sucks it seriously reflects badly on the original. The most important thing here is the story.


I don't see the connection with the original, or rather with the way that it's percepted. O:M is one of metal's greatest albums of all time, that's something most people can agree with, and no matter how many bad albums or even bad sequels Q will release, O:M will remain just as great. I will not begin to like it any less. Why should I? The only thing a bad follow-up will stain is the band's image, not the original album.

As far as O:M2 is concerned, I'm more worried that it's the music that will suck, than the story. And it's the music I care about. I'm not an English native speaker, so it's a bit hard to follow album stories for me. Frankly, I don't even know very well the story on O:M, I never found time to search for the lyrics on the web and read them carefully, though I always meant to. And even without caring that much for the story, O:M is my all time favourite album. And that's because the music is so damn good. So it's not the story that's important for me in O:M2, but the music, and a great story on a mediocre album will do nothing for me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one thinking this way.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:44 pm 
the666th wrote:
I don't see the connection with the original, or rather with the way that it's percepted. O:M is one of metal's greatest albums of all time, that's something most people can agree with, and no matter how many bad albums or even bad sequels Q will release, O:M will remain just as great. I will not begin to like it any less. Why should I? The only thing a bad follow-up will stain is the band's image, not the original album.

As far as O:M2 is concerned, I'm more worried that it's the music that will suck, than the story. And it's the music I care about. I'm not an English native speaker, so it's a bit hard to follow album stories for me. Frankly, I don't even know very well the story on O:M, I never found time to search for the lyrics on the web and read them carefully, though I always meant to. And even without caring that much for the story, O:M is my all time favourite album. And that's because the music is so damn good. So it's not the story that's important for me in O:M2, but the music, and a great story on a mediocre album will do nothing for me. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one thinking this way.

Well, you're missing my point. First, your second paragraph here cancels out your first paragraph. If you've not paid attention to the story, how can you comment on it's impact? The next album directly reflects on the old album, especially the story! The question of "Who Killed Mary?" is probably the biggest thing that has carried this album, yes the music is great, but the mystery is greater!

If they come out with some crackpot sequel that isn't believable then the first story/album suffers. Yes, the music will continue to be great, but the legacy of that first album will forever be tainted by a shoddy sequel.


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Eyesore wrote:
Well, you're missing my point. First, your second paragraph here cancels out your first paragraph.


I don't see how. Can you explain, instead of stating?
They cannot cancel each other, because they deal with different subjects: in the first I said how great O:M is and how nothing will change this, in the second I explained why stories aren't very important to me. Where's the contradiction, the canceling?

Eyesore wrote:
If you've not paid attention to the story, how can you comment on it's impact?


I didn't.

Eyesore wrote:
The next album directly reflects on the old album, especially the story! The question of "Who Killed Mary?" is probably the biggest thing that has carried this album, yes the music is great, but the mystery is greater!


It's not that question that carried the album, but the quality of the music on it. I for one wasn't even aware there was a question about who killed Mary until this discussion, and I liked the album just fine. If I want good mystery/crime stories I'll re-read some Agatha Christie or Arthur Conan Doyle. If I want some great music I'll maybe listen to some old Queensryche.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:44 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
Well, you're missing my point. First, your second paragraph here cancels out your first paragraph.


I don't see how. Can you explain, instead of stating?
They cannot cancel each other, because they deal with different subjects: in the first I said how great O:M is and how nothing will change this, in the second I explained why stories aren't very important to me. Where's the contradiction, the canceling?

Stating and explaining should be the same thing, no? You say you don't see the connection between part two and part one, then you explain yourself and try and say the music is all that matters. Then you go on to say you never paid attention to the lyrics or the concept of the album, thus making anything you say about the connection between the two albums completely invalid.

Yes, the music is great, but one of the main reasons that album has sustained such high esteem amongst music is the story behind the music. If there wasn't that great mystery there the album would still be great, but would definitely not be held to such high esteem in 2005. You may love it, and you may not have paid attention to the story, but I'd bet a million dollars that overall, in general, the album would not be recognized as one of the greatest albums ever without the story behind it. I personally think musically Rage For Order is their best album, and it's definitely on par with Mindcrime, but you don't see people talking about that album like they do Mindcrime. What's the difference between the two? The story.

A bad story in the sequel ruins the legacy of the first album. Plain and simple. You never paid attention to the story, so your opinion is really pointless. And I say that in no way to sound like an asshole.

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Eyesore wrote:
If you've not paid attention to the story, how can you comment on it's impact?


I didn't.

If you say so.

the666th wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
The next album directly reflects on the old album, especially the story! The question of "Who Killed Mary?" is probably the biggest thing that has carried this album, yes the music is great, but the mystery is greater!


It's not that question that carried the album, but the quality of the music on it. I for one wasn't even aware there was a question about who killed Mary until this discussion, and I liked the album just fine. If I want good mystery/crime stories I'll re-read some Agatha Christie or Arthur Conan Doyle. If I want some great music I'll maybe listen to some old Queensryche.

See my first reply.


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And yes, Rob Halford is the rumored Dr. X. They were supposed to announce it like a week and a half ago, but they didn't.


It's Dio. http://www.queensryche.com/news/2005/12.html


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And yes, Rob Halford is the rumored Dr. X. They were supposed to announce it like a week and a half ago, but they didn't.


It's Dio. http://www.queensryche.com/news/2005/12.html



Holy Fucking Shit.


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:shock: Ohhhhhhhh dude.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:08 pm 
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!! Fucking unreal! :shock:


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man, that sucks. I like Queensryche and I love Judas Priest, but Dio bugs the hell out of me..

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No halford? :( wait, what, Dio!? great! :D


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