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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:09 pm 
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I didn't respect him while he was, alive and I'm sure as hell not going to start now. Good riddance from me as well.. Enjoy Heaven/Hell/Dungeons and Dragons or whereever people like you go when they die.

Everyone has the right to do what they want with their own life, including putting an end to it. I don't see what's wrong with that.. People should do it more often..


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I didn't respect him while he was, alive and I'm sure as hell not going to start now. Good riddance from me as well.. Enjoy Heaven/Hell/Dungeons and Dragons or whereever people like you go when they die.

Everyone has the right to do what they want with their own life, including putting an end to it. I don't see what's wrong with that.. People should do it more often..


Do you need to confess something to us Eisenfaust? :wink:


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i'm not a hardcore anything (religion-wise).

look, the point i'm trying to get across is that you don't have to feel sorry for some guy you think was an asshole's death. i'm not happy that he died, and i'm not sad either.

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RIP Jon.

The guys whole life was pretty sad in retrospect. Kind of threw it all away, literally and figuratively.


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i don't think Windir and Mystic Forest are replacements for Dissection, though they are excellent bands in their own right (imo, better than Dissection too).

i'd say Sacramentum are very Dissection-y. thank Misha for the tip.

Be sure to check the album "Far From The Sun". Sacramentum is not a rip off by the way, it came out at about the same time as the legendairy dissection records. Although it doesn't have a song like Night's Blood, it's still more awesome than Dissection :dio:


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Define Infinity wrote:
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there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.

Who are you to judge him?

Human?

That wasn't for you to answer.

It doesn't matter because it is the answer.



You are one, Ignorant creature. 'The' answer, yes? Being that definite only reveals your utmost arrogance and vanity.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:30 pm 
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How do you know the motives behind his actions? Sure, the media made a big fuss about it being a homophobic hate crime, but Jon himself didn't comment on it. Stick to the facts, please.

OK, I'm not sure of his motive, but he shot someone, who happened to be gay, with a shotgun twice, once in the head, once in the back. My opinion stands.


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You are one, Ignorant creature. 'The' answer, yes? Being that definite only reveals your utmost arrogance and vanity.

I answered your question, it has nothing to do with ignorance, arrogance or vanity. You asked "who are you to judge?" The answer is what I gave you. Who are you to judge me based on words on the internet? Hmmm? You can judge me, but someone else can't place judgement on a fucking murderer? :lol:

Ignorant creature indeed. :rolleyes:


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Azrael wrote:
i don't think Windir and Mystic Forest are replacements for Dissection, though they are excellent bands in their own right (imo, better than Dissection too).

i'd say Sacramentum are very Dissection-y. thank Misha for the tip.

Be sure to check the album "Far From The Sun". Sacramentum is not a rip off by the way, it came out at about the same time as the legendairy dissection records. Although it doesn't have a song like Night's Blood, it's still more awesome than Dissection :dio:


It is a decent album but it can't touch either the Somberlein or Storm....

Centinex sounds a lot like Dissection too especially their older stuff. I am also pretty sure Far From the Sun came out in either 97 or 96 which puts it after.....Not that I am going to look it up though. It is on Century Black if you can still find it.


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You are one, Ignorant creature. 'The' answer, yes? Being that definite only reveals your utmost arrogance and vanity.

I answered your question, it has nothing to do with ignorance, arrogance or vanity. You asked "who are you to judge?" The answer is what I gave you. Who are you to judge me based on words on the internet? Hmmm? You can judge me, but someone else can't place judgement on a fucking murderer? :lol:

Ignorant creature indeed. :rolleyes:



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Define Infinity wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Define Infinity wrote:
You are one, Ignorant creature. 'The' answer, yes? Being that definite only reveals your utmost arrogance and vanity.

I answered your question, it has nothing to do with ignorance, arrogance or vanity. You asked "who are you to judge?" The answer is what I gave you. Who are you to judge me based on words on the internet? Hmmm? You can judge me, but someone else can't place judgement on a fucking murderer? :lol:

Ignorant creature indeed. :rolleyes:

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At least Kurt Cobain had the excuse of being a smack fiend. Nirvana > Dissection, fanboys! :P


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EisenFaust wrote:
I didn't respect him while he was, alive and I'm sure as hell not going to start now. Good riddance from me as well.. Enjoy Heaven/Hell/Dungeons and Dragons or whereever people like you go when they die.

Everyone has the right to do what they want with their own life, including putting an end to it. I don't see what's wrong with that.. People should do it more often..


Do you need to confess something to us Eisenfaust? :wink:


Why yes! Yes I do.. Lean forward so I can whisper it in your ear.

It takes more to earn my respect than releasing a couple of melo-death albums ranging from semi-decent to flat out crap.

Stupid ramblings of immature composite philosophies about true satanists, true acts of will, transcendence to other planes etc. etc. detracts respect-points.

Not every creature that can walk on two legs and communicate through language deserves respect.

Shooting someone because you disagree with their sexual orientation, is gay.


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At least Kurt Cobain had the excuse of having a lunatic girlfriend who had him offed. Nirvana < Dogshit, fanboys! :P


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Fucking hell, I go on holiday and unplug myself from the world for 7 days and when I get back I find out that more musicians have died or have disappeared (referring to Kvarforth). I feel pretty confused right now, not exactly in a pleasant way.

R.I.P.


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Boo hoo. I only cared of one cd he made, but then he started making shitty music so, I don't care. Suicide is stupid.


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So you people are happy that he's dead because he "allegedly" killed someone who was gay? And you want to point fingers at him for being stupid??? You've got to be kidding me.

Firstly, he didn't kill anyone. He was an accessory to the crime, not the actual murderer. I'm not even a Dissection fan and I know this...why don't any of you?

Secondly, who cares why the gay dude was killed? If he was straight, would you be as upset? Do you get this upset when someone walks into a convenience store and kills the cleark, just because the clerk worked there? Do you get this upset when you hear about a drive by shooting in which the victim was killed just because they were standing on the wrong street corner at the wrong time? That the victim in this particular instance was gay is not really significant.

Thirdly, it's highly probable that none of you even know the circumstances that led up to the guy being killed. For all you know, Jon and his friends may have been surrounded by a group of gays who wanted to gang bang them and just the one guy happened to die. Perhaps the victim threatened them first, either with a weapon or with words. Even if the guy just simply propositioned Jon and his friends, they are completely justified in getting pissed off about it- it is rude and presumptuous to proposition a complete stranger (one whom you don't even know is gay and doesn't even look gay) for sex.

It is amazing how quick some people are to jump to the defense of someone just because that person is a member of a "protected class", even if they don't know the whole story of what happened.


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So you people are happy that he's dead because he "allegedly" killed someone who was gay? And you want to point fingers at him for being stupid??? You've got to be kidding me.

Firstly, he didn't kill anyone. He was an accessory to the crime, not the actual murderer. I'm not even a Dissection fan and I know this...why don't any of you?

Secondly, who cares why the gay dude was killed? If he was straight, would you be as upset? Do you get this upset when someone walks into a convenience store and kills the cleark, just because the clerk worked there? Do you get this upset when you hear about a drive by shooting in which the victim was killed just because they were standing on the wrong street corner at the wrong time? That the victim in this particular instance was gay is not really significant.

Thirdly, it's highly probable that none of you even know the circumstances that led up to the guy being killed. For all you know, Jon and his friends may have been surrounded by a group of gays who wanted to gang bang them and just the one guy happened to die. Perhaps the victim threatened them first, either with a weapon or with words. Even if the guy just simply propositioned Jon and his friends, they are completely justified in getting pissed off about it- it is rude and presumptuous to proposition a complete stranger (one whom you don't even know is gay and doesn't even look gay) for sex.

It is amazing how quick some people are to jump to the defense of someone just because that person is a member of a "protected class", even if they don't know the whole story of what happened.


there are some valid points there... good to see you back though. It got boring for a while.

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Oh gee what a surprise, someone involved in the killing of a minority group member takes shit and DEA slips back into the forum. :rolleyes: He has basically confessed doing it (read the quote Ken provided earlier). If he'd killed a straight man he'd still be a murdering piece of shit and I'd still have less than no sympathy for the fucker. The fact he only served a few years in jail just shows how week the scandinvaian penal systems are.

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Thirdly, it's highly probable that none of you even know the circumstances that led up to the guy being killed. For all you know, Jon and his friends may have been surrounded by a group of gays who wanted to gang bang them and just the one guy happened to die. Perhaps the victim threatened them first, either with a weapon or with words. Even if the guy just simply propositioned Jon and his friends, they are completely justified in getting pissed off about it- it is rude and presumptuous to proposition a complete stranger (one whom you don't even know is gay and doesn't even look gay) for sex.

And you're going to take your own pathetic paranoid conjecture of the findings of a court of law? You're fucking pathetic. Its perfectly clear that you are as homophobic as you are racist - a real right wing soapbox girl all the way, huh? Follow your mate Jon's example and do the world a favour you obnoxious clown.


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Jon only served seven years because he was not the one to pull the trigger. :p He could have been charged with being an accesory to the crime simply for being there and not tattling on his friend, for all you know.

My feelings about gay people are completely irrelevant to this topic. As are yours, so I don't know why you keep bringing them up.


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