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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:14 pm 
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I just borrowed/stole Dissection's Storm of Light's Bane and it wins the title of first black metal album I like... it reminds me of a lot of melodeath that I used to listen to a year ago but way cooler...


It is Melo Death, just with BM vocals and style. The Somberlein is even more so. If you like that get the first Dark Tranquility album with Anders from In Flames on Vocals, very similiar vibe, same with the first Sentenced and Tiamat albums (North from Here and Summerian Cry).

Whatever Ken, you made some stupid knuckle dragger comment about eye for an eye stuff in a childish manner. I just called you on it and you didn't like it.


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i don't think Windir and Mystic Forest are replacements for Dissection, though they are excellent bands in their own right (imo, better than Dissection too).

i'd say Sacramentum are very Dissection-y. thank Misha for the tip.

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Misha wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Azrael wrote:
i didn't respect him when he was alive, there's no reason to respect him "just" because he died, i mean, killed himself like an idiot.

EDIT - but of course, Storm had its moments. Night's Blood was an incredible song.


Except that when he was alive, he could disrespect you if he met you. Now its just dissing a lifeless corpses. Not really fair.

Who cares? The only good Jon is a dead Jon. And I'm not saying that because I don't agree with his views, but because of the last cd he made. :zzz:


i don't know if you meant this as a joke but wishing someone dead or saying you're glad someone is dad because their last album sucked is pretty stupid. it would be the same as me saying: "man, i wish Misha died, his last review was shite!"


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:46 pm 
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Whatever Ken, you made some stupid knuckle dragger comment about eye for an eye stuff in a childish manner. I just called you on it and you didn't like it.

No, leeeee, I did not. As a person he was worthless and had he not released the Dissection albums people wouldn't be sticking up for him.

Trash is trash, sorry. You can't pretty it up.


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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Whatever Ken, you made some stupid knuckle dragger comment about eye for an eye stuff in a childish manner. I just called you on it and you didn't like it.

No, leeeee, I did not. As a person he was worthless and had he not released the Dissection albums people wouldn't be sticking up for him.

Trash is trash, sorry. You can't pretty it up.


I am not sticking up for him. I just said he made two all time classic albums and served his time. You can't defend somebody who killed someone because it was the "metal" thing to do. You can though realize that time and prison changes some people as time goes on.....


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:00 pm 
leee wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Whatever Ken, you made some stupid knuckle dragger comment about eye for an eye stuff in a childish manner. I just called you on it and you didn't like it.

No, leeeee, I did not. As a person he was worthless and had he not released the Dissection albums people wouldn't be sticking up for him.

Trash is trash, sorry. You can't pretty it up.

I am not sticking up for him. I just said he made two all time classic albums and served his time. You can't defend somebody who killed someone because it was the "metal" thing to do. You can though realize that time and prison changes some people as time goes on.....

Of course it can change a person, but murder is an extreme and thus no amount of change in the person will change the fact that he murdered someone for being gay. My opinion stands.

If a man molests a little girl, serves 7 years in prison, would you feel the same way? Or is that an extreme that you can't forgive?


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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Whatever Ken, you made some stupid knuckle dragger comment about eye for an eye stuff in a childish manner. I just called you on it and you didn't like it.

No, leeeee, I did not. As a person he was worthless and had he not released the Dissection albums people wouldn't be sticking up for him.

Trash is trash, sorry. You can't pretty it up.

I am not sticking up for him. I just said he made two all time classic albums and served his time. You can't defend somebody who killed someone because it was the "metal" thing to do. You can though realize that time and prison changes some people as time goes on.....

Of course it can change a person, but murder is an extreme and thus no amount of change in the person will change the fact that he murdered someone for being gay. My opinion stands.

If a man molests a little girl, serves 7 years in prison, would you feel the same way? Or is that an extreme that you can't forgive?


That kind of sentence is handed out daily in the US. Should we just kill everyone instantly that commits a crime?

So in your opinion, every single person in a US prison or worldwide, right now, that killed a person, no matter their age when it happenend or the circumtances should be immiedietly executed?


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leee wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Whatever Ken, you made some stupid knuckle dragger comment about eye for an eye stuff in a childish manner. I just called you on it and you didn't like it.

No, leeeee, I did not. As a person he was worthless and had he not released the Dissection albums people wouldn't be sticking up for him.

Trash is trash, sorry. You can't pretty it up.

I am not sticking up for him. I just said he made two all time classic albums and served his time. You can't defend somebody who killed someone because it was the "metal" thing to do. You can though realize that time and prison changes some people as time goes on.....

Of course it can change a person, but murder is an extreme and thus no amount of change in the person will change the fact that he murdered someone for being gay. My opinion stands.

If a man molests a little girl, serves 7 years in prison, would you feel the same way? Or is that an extreme that you can't forgive?


That kind of sentence is handed out daily in the US. Should we just kill everyone instantly that commits a crime?

So in your opinion, every single person in a US prison or worldwide, right now, that killed a person, no matter their age when it happenend or the circumtances should be immiedietly executed?

There's a difference between being glad someone is no longer polluting existence with their presence and actually wanting to kill a person.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:58 pm 
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That kind of sentence is handed out daily in the US. Should we just kill everyone instantly that commits a crime?

So in your opinion, every single person in a US prison or worldwide, right now, that killed a person, no matter their age when it happenend or the circumtances should be immiedietly executed?

No, nothing so drastic as blanket sentences, but this guy murdered someone for being gay. It's not like he got drunk, made a mistake and drove home and hit a guy on a bike, killing him. This guy blew someone's head off with a shotgun and then shot him again in the back. Just for being gay.

Nothing less than life in prison for shit like that, and even then I don't think that's harsh enough.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:50 am 
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there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.

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Azrael wrote:
there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.


Who are you to judge him?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:28 am 
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Azrael wrote:
there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.

Who are you to judge him?

Human?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:22 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
Define Infinity wrote:
Azrael wrote:
there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.

Who are you to judge him?

Human?


Pretty good point there.....ha ha


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Eyesore wrote:
Define Infinity wrote:
Azrael wrote:
there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.

Who are you to judge him?

Human?


That wasn't for you to answer.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:12 am 
Define Infinity wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Define Infinity wrote:
Azrael wrote:
there's a difference between wanting someone dead and not being sad that someone died, you know.

my problem is not that he killed someone. he did his time and he was sorry for what he did, he couldn't erase the past but he would probably act differently in the future.

the problem was the whole killing himself thing.

Who are you to judge him?

Human?

That wasn't for you to answer.

It doesn't matter because it is the answer.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:23 am 
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i'm not judging, unless voicing an opinion is automatically judging.

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Azrael wrote:
i'm not judging, unless voicing an opinion is automatically judging.

There's nothing wrong with judging someone based on their actions.


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Haha! What a knob.


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Eyesore wrote:
This guy murdered someone for being gay. It's not like he got drunk, made a mistake and drove home and hit a guy on a bike, killing him. This guy blew someone's head off with a shotgun and then shot him again in the back. Just for being gay.


How do you know the motives behind his actions? Sure, the media made a big fuss about it being a homophobic hate crime, but Jon himself didn't comment on it. Stick to the facts, please.

Define Infinity wrote:
Azrael wrote:
the problem was the whole killing himself thing.


Who are you to judge him?


Exactly. If someone decides to take his own life, it's his call. Sure, suicide can be the result of weakness and inability to handle life, but there can be other reasons too. As Jon himself said, "The Satanist decides over his own life and death and prefers to go with a smile on his lips when he has reached his peak in life, when he has accomplished everything, and aim to transcend this earthly existence. But it is completely un-Satanic to end ones own life because one is sad or miserable. The Satanist dies strong, not by age, disease or depression, and he chooses death before dishonor! Death is the orgasm of life! So live life accordingly, as intense as possible!"

Why do you give a fuck? Are you a hardcore catholic or something?


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i don't think Windir and Mystic Forest are replacements for Dissection, though they are excellent bands in their own right (imo, better than Dissection too).

i'd say Sacramentum are very Dissection-y. thank Misha for the tip.


Exactly. Better than Dissection :lol:


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