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I think they're just afraid their pathetic little lives will end and that nothing will come after.... Religion helps the weak essentially...

But I feel the need to be held responsible for my actions regardless of how it may impact my mental health.

Oh, well, if Frank Zappa did...

I'm there. Wow. This feels good.

That's what I've always thought...can't bear to say goodbye. Sad, really.

I'm thinking just like an atheist but I always get lost when in the end I say "so why bother living through all this shit if there's nothing afterwards ? Why not just kill myself like turning off the tv ? Why bother with all this bullshit in life if it means absolutely nothing and I'm no better compared to a rat after I'm dead ?"

This is what keeps me believing that there should be a god or some sort of deity and a life arter this one. And science doesn't come up with a sensible answer to my question and how the universe was created so science vs. god is a nil nil draw in my opinion.

If there's nothing afterwards, why go straight there? Enjoy life first, friends, family, and the choice of one of your own, which is what it's all about, frankly.

And that's all there is. So, do you invent a god to make you feel better or face up to it? You can only fool yourself for so long, mate...

This is my problem. I'm not enjoying life and I don't see myself enjoying it 20 years from now. So I guess I'm looking for a code to follow that makes me think what I'm doing makes me a decent person.

So... your reasoning is... since science hasn't explained how the universe was created, you're going to believe in an invisible sky-superman until proven otherwise? How about, "Nobody's proven that the invisible sky-superman exists, so I'm going to believe in solid, verifiable FACT until told otherwise."

The meaning of life is to enjoy the things you do day-to-day and to continue doing them for as long as possible.

The Satanists have got it right to a point: each person is his own god. You'd don't need an invisible man in the sky telling you what to do, you control your own deeds and thoughts. That's one of the major problems for me with religion, the question of free will. It always sounds contrived when they try to explain it away.

I can't give you an answer, I can only say that as long as you believe what you are doing is right, you're safe. Living is better than not living, I think, which helped me through a depressive period a few years back.

Nope, like I said it's a nil nil draw. I won't deny a scientific answer to life because I don't know if they can't answer it and I won't deny god because I or science can't prove he doesn't. I do not fully embrace any religion because I don't have the answers and I'm not an idiot who fears the unknown, but I do think that being a decent person in life which means I do some things that are found right by religion (which doesn't include praying, I don't do that shit) doesn't do me any harm but makes me a better person as my logic tells me.

But my logic also tells me that "a god just created a zillion stars and planets and made one big blue one and placed you on that" is a bullshit story. So I'm not disagreeing with you on this side of things.

Well if god wanted us to obey, he wouldn't give us free will right ?
Some of us are just woods for the eternal fire I guess.

This is the hardest issue of all to talk about. I'll just keep doing what I think is right like Aaron, you and I all say and live for as long as I can, but if it doesn't mean anything like I said it will be a waste of time.

YOUR actions have all the meaning that YOU assign to them. If you enjoy something, then it's worth doing.



You're assigning different standards of proof. Science has to jump through hoops to prove whatever it says, but god gets a free pass? Why doesn't god prove that it exists instead of science having to disprove his existence? Is god's existence a default thoughtpattern?

It's nonsense.

Logic certainly does not tell me that everything must have evolved from nothingness. It just doesn't add up when you think about it. By your kind of logic, I could just pull a rabbit out of thin air. Sure, there are obvious biological processes that contribute to things like human emotion (I've taken several psychology courses so this is definitely nothing I've never heard before). Nonetheless, I don't believe they're purely accidental. Ditto to things like Natural Selection. There's so much precision in mankind and His structure that to think it simply appeared like that out of nothingness seems downright ludicrous. How would you explain the fact that just about everybody (not just one or two people) who has a near death experience has an angelic revelation? Or what about theories of such processes as reincarnation? Hell, how about the miraculous birth of babies? Biology certainly can't explain the whole essence behind such phenomena at this point (seeing as to how the human body is very mechanical). Let alone every other miracle within the universe.

I'm not going to say you absolutely must believe what I believe (nor do I claim that all my beliefs are absolutely correct), and if you don't believe in God, that's fine. But make sure this is what you seriously believe, and that you're not just being influenced by what some silly black/death metal band may have told you in their lyrics. I could just as easily argue that a lot of scientists try to convince themselves there is no God as a way for them to latch onto their theories of meaningless evolution and keep their egos going strong (and believe me, quite a few of them do).

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree, I can't prove anything and you can't too.

First of all, the human form did not evolve out of "nothingness." If you look back at older forms of life, it's quite obvious where structures like the human eye came from. Actually, religion would have us believe that humankind came from nothingness. There are a couple fairly obvious Biblical verses I could quote on that. As for angelic revelations, the human mind is a tricky thing. We can't be sure that these people didn't experience an "angelic revelation" because they were expecting to, because that's something imbued in human culture. "Miraculous birth of babies?" Please. Two people fuck, the sperm manages to make it to the egg, DNA gets mushed together, cells start dividing, etc. etc. Let me tell you, men are the only ones who think of the process of giving birth as "miraculous." Go watch some footage of babies being born and then tell me that such a stretching, screaming, bloody process is a miracle. Also, just for the record, the universe did not come from an atom. Before the Big Bang, the universe was energy, not matter.

Second of all, just because science can't explain everything right now means that the whole thing is worthless? Gee, I guess someone should tell Einstein that because he couldn't come up with a Unified Theory that his entire life's work is garbage. Hell, by that logic, religion is trash, too. We've already disproved a hell of a lot of stuff in the Bible, or do you really believe the sun could stop in the sky? That would require the earth to stop spinning, at which point gravity would cease to function, and the planet would be destroyed. Or how about someone being swallowed by a whale and surviving (read: not dissolved by said whale's stomach acid). Or two of EVERY FUCKING SPECIES on the face of the earth being able to fit on a single ship? You just disproved your own point.

I totally agree with you.

I think a lot of religious views depend on life experiences. Depending on how you think about things, you either believe in God or you don't. Simple as that. Both sides have people who "try to convince themselves their side is correct" (and yes, in all fairness, I'm sure there are plenty of Christians who do this, as well as Atheists). Whichever side is correct I can't say for certain. But a faith in God is a lot more firm than some people realize, and there is, in fact, just as much scientific evidence supporting the possibility of a God as there is evidence not supporting this possibility.

How about some examples? I don't mean one scientist spouting nonsense, either. I'm talking about multiple, independant studies published by multiple people on multiple occasions, whose results stand up to peer scrutiny.

I'll go ahead and save you some time: there are none.

"Everything is so complex, I can't believe it didn't come from an all-powerful sky-superman."

Buddy, that's YOUR logic block and I'm terribly sorry that it has to be as such.



'At this point' STOP RIGHT THERE. Years and years ago people thought rain was God's tears and crazy shit like that. It's the same thing.

Carny answered the rest of this best, so leave it to her, excepting... the 'angelic revelation.'

Lessee heere... first off, where the fucking crap do you get the idea that everybody who has a near-death experience has an angelic revelation? What are you basing this on?

Second off, even if that is the case, very simple explanation: near brain-death causes crazy hallucinogenic shit to happen. There. Since so many people are brainwashed by the religous folk into considering the possibility of such nonsense as angels, they see angels when they're about to die. The angels tell them that they've been bad because they feel guilty over dumb crap they did ages ago, they wake up Born-Again Cockministers. Whooeeeee.



Why should I give a fuck what weak-willed scientists do?

And YES, this is all because of Deicide. I listened to Deicide, and they told me there was no god. So I went off and studied biology and evolution and creationism and intelligent design, and philosophy concerning the existence of unproveable beings. Based on all that (and Deicide!), I became an atheist.

This is total idiocy. Yes, I became an atheist because a band TOLD ME SO. How much of a mindless idiot sheep do you think I am?

90% of Americans are Christians. 90% of American scientists are atheist. Doesn't this say something? There is no pro religion scientific evidence. Conjecture, perhaps, by people who don't want to lose faith but accidentally did a science degree...

True atheists don't try to convince themselves they are right. They know that they don't have answers, and are pretty sure that they will never see any. This is why they are the only ones who truly understand how insignificant humans are.

There should really be no such thing as agnostics. If your gut tells you that god exists then believe whatever you want. But people who are forever saying "we can never know for sure about God" bug me quite a lot. If I told an agnostic that out lives were guided by a magical lemon tree, and every day we must sprinkle it with washing up liquid to avoid going to hell, he would rightly ignore me. Yet there is precisely the same amount of evidence for that as there is for the Christian God, so why not sit on the fence there as well?

The inalienable facts are- Atheists don't know what the truth is, but at least we know what it certainly isn't.

Can't we all just believe whatever we want and get the hell along? :?