Metal Reviews

What was the title again?



Well, it's not really for you to say whether you're patronising or not. It depends on how other people perceive things. When you get into flamewars here (which is frequently), I am always reading your posts and taking the perception from them that you think everyone else is a moron that can't understand the very basic truths you're imparting upon them. You can't just say "I don't think that", because this is repeatedly how it comes across, in my opinion.

Btw, it's not MY problem, it's just something I'm commenting on, really.



Ok then, so the message is: Death Metal gets you into trouble?



No, because what it was about was making accusations. If it was interested in portraying this music sympathetically it would have discussed this at more length. But, as we've established, it wasn't trying to do that.

Now, in theory I have no problem with someone taking this sort of tone, because I like controversial discussion. However, what irritates me is when this tone is combined with a lack of understanding of the subject.

It can be summarised by this equation:

Unbalanced + Uninformed= Death Metal Murders

And like I said already, if you were reading, is that the documentary's title was misleading.


You're wrong again. I have argued with Zad and Stefan (and the few who chose to jump in when they talked shit). Since they haven't been around I haven't argued with anyone but leee. And arguing with leee is really just a typical music discussion until I can't figure out if leee is joking or serious. Even then, it's not a flamewar.

And let me say this, if I think someone is a moron, I will come right out and say it. I don't need to imply, nor will I ever. If you take my words the wrong way that is YOUR fault, not mine. And if you question me on it and I tell you that is not what I meant and you don't believe me, again, that is your fault, not mine.


Dude, come on, are you kidding me?


You should maybe re-watch this thing.

Sorry but that's pretty lame. So there weren't segments where they were going through his CD collection and looking at all the bands in it? They weren't recounting the Varg/Euronymous story that's been heard ad nauseam? To me it says something that now your only defence of the film is to say that it wasn't even about DM in the first place. This sounds so desperate to me, you know? Especially when I have already seen it, so you must have known that I wouldn't accept that...



In this situation every post you make seems like self-aggrandisement, and like you trying to make everyone believe that it was ALWAYS you that was right in those Stefan/Zad arguments, and you never even started one of them. You were always the voice of reason. You never argue with anyone else at all....

If you believe all this then I'm not going to try any harder to change your mind...



Through his love of DM he met people that went on to murder him.
So explain to me how it's implausible to extract the message "DM gets you into trouble" from that.



That's not even an argument at all!

Well, when I started the discussion I was indeed prepared to accept your recollections over mine because you saw it more recently. But unfortunately yours sounded like apologist bullshit, so I'd rather trust my own hazy ones. There are questions here that you have totally failed to address. For example- Why should we respect a documentary made by someone that didn't know their subject material? How can you legitimately argue that the program wasn't even about metal all along? Isn't it obvious that attempts to balance their arguments were limited at best?

Anyway I don't wish to argue anymore so I'm not going to make more replies in this thread, and thus grant you the last word. No doubt this will give you another opportunity in the future to remind everyone of how "I was right against rio in that documentary debate as well", but that can't be helped. I have to consider the happy atmosphere of the forum as being more important than that

If you want to believe that, fine. I've already explained myself too many times here to get into it again.


I never said I didn't argue with people. I said I never STARTED it. There's a difference. Just like in this thread. It's seems like you're trying VERY hard to start a fight with me. You've been insulting me for the past few replies. Why is that? Because I don't share your opinion?

See, in a few more replies this could be a full-blown flamewar and you'll step back and go, "I didn't start it." I don't care what your opinion is on the fights I had with Zad and Stefan. I NEVER started anything. I sure did argue, but I never started anything.


What subject material did they not know? They weren't saying that death metal CAUSED these kids to murder. They simply questioned the connection. They didn't need to be experts on death metal to do this! It was about the kids that murdered! Not about the death metal that caused them to murder.


The happy atmosphere, huh? As you drop this lame ass, childish shit bomb, right? Oh, yeah, rio's intentions here are for the greater good of the board! He's not wanting to start a fight with Eyesore! Nooooo! That's why he started insulting him a few replies back and has continued to do so. He did this to keep the board "happy." Now he's bowing out with more insults.

That is VERY mature, my friend.

Thought it looked stupid when I heard about it. I expected much more from A&E/Discovery(same parent company), especially considering they are usually more level-headed than this. They were the only ones who told the story of the the Punker in Amarillo who got killed by a bunch of meathead jocks solely for the way he looked. Everyone else defended the jocks, saying that the Punkers asked for it with their crazy hair and leathers. A & E was the only ones who exposed that trial for the sham it was, and now they turn around with this garbage. It smells a lot like sensationalizing Metal to explain the actions of a group of people who were seriuosly fucked in the head.

WTF

The documentary over here CLEARLY STATED that Deicide was a big reson for the kids killing people (Beasts of Stan or whatever) "Yeah, he was a nice kid...I started to find all these CC and Deicide records and then he changed....I BLAME METAL MUSIC....yes, after he discovered death metal we never saw him and he became a satanist" all that shite, then it followed the dead kid's dad going to concerts and then interviewing him where he also CLEARLY BLAMED death metal, with the only other side of the argument being given by Glen fuckin Benton. It was a shitty biased program.

They discussed the victim being exposed to HIS KILLERS through his love of death metal. It never said death metal made these people kill.

The kid is an idiot. Sometimes I just wonder how is it possible for people to misinterpret or interpret songs and then go on a rampage. They're fucking stupid. I remember how Manson was blamed for the Columbine incident (did I get the spelling correct?). How bad are his lyrics anyway? I dion't hear much of his stuff. It turns me off the first time I play it.

Those kids didn't even listen to Manson, from what I understand. Regardless, after authorities investigated the writings the two had done over the years, they were found to possess definite psychotic personalities.

Then why was he accused of being an influence? Obviously the kids did something that led the cops (or more like the whole judicial system) to him?