CHILDREN OF BODOM: Song From 'Chaos Ridden Years' CD Posted Online (#1530)

leee · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:14 pm

following the reaper wrote:

leee wrote:

Beowulf wrote:

I think it's fucked up and dumb how Bodom have suddenly become disliked by the underground community (and by many on this forum). What have they done wrong?
They're music still sounds great with nice production and a beat to headbang too. They are definately not mainstream (not in the UK anyway) and their sound has differed little. So why the aggro?

Or is this another one where the old fans who listened to them at the start want the music to sound like Hatebreeder for evera and ever and resent that a band could ever change against their wishes, ie - Fuck you :wink:

Change is a good thing. Without it, Therion would still be average death metal, The Gathering would be crappy doom with a wailing girl, Cradle of Filth would still be good and BM fans would have one less thing to complain about, In Flames would still be good and DM fans would have one less thing to complain about, and of course we'd all be in caves hitting rocks together and listening to shitty old Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin.
Ok, maybe change can be a bad thing and a good thing.

I am not going to get into it, but I am pretty sure you are the only person who I ever heard say early Therion and The Gathering are crap? You really think the first 3 Therion albums and Mandylion are crap?

Anyways I am lucky enough that I like all of their incarnations but Bodom has never really changed that much IMO, just toned it down on the gay keyboard overload some of the years.

Youy cant deny the riffing is different too. And the overall atmosphere and lyrical content.

They went from Dark, classically-influenced power metal with harsh vocals, to poppy, metalcore influenced power metal with harsh vocals. And thats FACT.

You all are nuts, I listenend to them since the beginning when they were actually called Melodic "black" Metal and they haven't changed that much. Still the same shit just slowed down and put Warmen's gay ass on a leash.

How bizarre is it, that I find my self agreeing more and more with a guy who dates a chick with no vowels in her name. Brutal.......

Angelslayer · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:24 pm

Children of Linkin Park

Radagast · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:36 pm

Angelslayer wrote:

Children of Linkin Park

LOL! LOL! TELL IT AGAIN!!

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:29 pm

Radagast wrote:

noodles wrote:

Their earlier work is a just a mess of too many riffs that go nowhere and do nothing for me. All I got out of Hatebreeder was that Alexi was a good guitarist and terrible singer and songwriter, their later stuff actually has good songs, even if its not very complex or ambitious (which they've failed at, so I consider it a good thing that they know their boundaries). CoB will never be anything more than candy metal to me and their later stuff does that way better than their early work.

The fact that you can't draw anything out of the jumble of riffs and melodies on their first three albums does not make it bad music. Christ, you're the one that's always going on about spazzed-out rhythm changes and irregular song structures and now you say Bodom improved because they started palying slower, dumbed down songs?

Well its more because I don't think that's what Children of Bodom are good at doing. If I want fucked up music with lots of complexity I'll listen to Psyopus or Behold the Arctopus, if I want simple candy metal with cool riffs I'll listen to FTR/HCDR/AYDY. If I want what CoB were trying to do on Hatebreeder I'll listen to something like Wintersun... who are teh cooler.

lolz acronyms.

leee · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:46 pm

I don't get the Wintersun love at all. I have that S/T album......blah. Kalmah and Eternal Tears of Sorrow are so much better.

Beowulf · **Joined:** Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:11 pm **Posts:** 68

Fuck, I shouldn't ignore the internet for a week. So much to catch up on:

Quote:

I am not going to get into it, but I am pretty sure you are the only person who I ever heard say early Therion and The Gathering are crap? You really think the first 3 Therion albums and Mandylion are crap?

I beleive the word I used for Therion was 'average' which is what they were. Not bad, but not fucking Demonoid either (Therion members recent whupass death effort).
And Mandylion was mentioned not at all, and if I did I apologise. I meant Always... and Almost A Dance, which in my opinion are crappy doom.

Chugging riffs - yes CoB contains them, but unlike Metalcore and some numetal they also weave complex solos, both guitar and key, around them to create a tapestry of melodic DEATH metal.

Wintersun are good but fuck the guy for leaving Ensiferum. I need more Viking metal, not melodic death/thrash/black dammit.

The drinking thing sucks in metal. I drink and sometimes have had FAR too much. I hate the person I become and always vow to stop. I haven't overdone it for several months now but I'll be back at uni next week which could fuck that up for me. Dragonforce are in danger of drinking problems as they are almost always wasted on stage. Yeah they can still play, but they won't always be able too. It pisses me off how metal has such a drinking and weed culture in it now.

CoB riffing has changed, but natural progression is part of the band process. And Alexi's singing is way better now it's more audible.

Basically, if you want Hatebreeder/Something Wild era stuff listen to some Norther, if you want Follow Reaper/HateCrew stuff then listen to Imperanon. If you want the full CoB experience, listen to Children of Bodom. Don't like it then don't listen to it

leee · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:43 pm

Beowulf wrote:

Fuck, I shouldn't ignore the internet for a week. So much to catch up on:

Quote:

I am not going to get into it, but I am pretty sure you are the only person who I ever heard say early Therion and The Gathering are crap? You really think the first 3 Therion albums and Mandylion are crap?

I beleive the word I used for Therion was 'average' which is what they were. Not bad, but not fucking Demonoid either (Therion members recent whupass death effort).
And Mandylion was mentioned not at all, and if I did I apologise. I meant Always... and Almost A Dance, which in my opinion are crappy doom.

Chugging riffs - yes CoB contains them, but unlike Metalcore and some numetal they also weave complex solos, both guitar and key, around them to create a tapestry of melodic DEATH metal.

Wintersun are good but fuck the guy for leaving Ensiferum. I need more Viking metal, not melodic death/thrash/black dammit.

The drinking thing sucks in metal. I drink and sometimes have had FAR too much. I hate the person I become and always vow to stop. I haven't overdone it for several months now but I'll be back at uni next week which could fuck that up for me. Dragonforce are in danger of drinking problems as they are almost always wasted on stage. Yeah they can still play, but they won't always be able too. It pisses me off how metal has such a drinking and weed culture in it now.

CoB riffing has changed, but natural progression is part of the band process. And Alexi's singing is way better now it's more audible.

Basically, if you want Hatebreeder/Something Wild era stuff listen to some Norther, if you want Follow Reaper/HateCrew stuff then listen to Imperanon. If you want the full CoB experience, listen to Children of Bodom. Don't like it then don't listen to it

Yeah I would agree on Always and Almost a Dance. I don't agree on the Therion but that is cool......

What do you mean now for the weed and fucking mentality? Metal was always about that with some cheese evil thrown in the mix or gay lyrics about nuclear war. Only in the early 90's it started to change but you can't expect something to stray to far from its true roots.

Angelslayer · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:51 pm

Radagast wrote:

Angelslayer wrote:

Children of Linkin Park

LOL! LOL! TELL IT AGAIN!!

Hey, I think this guy was being sarcastic

Rhys · **Posted:** Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:13 am

noodles wrote:

Radagast wrote:

noodles wrote:

Their earlier work is a just a mess of too many riffs that go nowhere and do nothing for me. All I got out of Hatebreeder was that Alexi was a good guitarist and terrible singer and songwriter, their later stuff actually has good songs, even if its not very complex or ambitious (which they've failed at, so I consider it a good thing that they know their boundaries). CoB will never be anything more than candy metal to me and their later stuff does that way better than their early work.

The fact that you can't draw anything out of the jumble of riffs and melodies on their first three albums does not make it bad music. Christ, you're the one that's always going on about spazzed-out rhythm changes and irregular song structures and now you say Bodom improved because they started palying slower, dumbed down songs?

Well its more because I don't think that's what Children of Bodom are good at doing. If I want fucked up music with lots of complexity I'll listen to Psyopus or Behold the Arctopus, if I want simple candy metal with cool riffs I'll listen to FTR/HCDR/AYDY. If I want what CoB were trying to do on Hatebreeder I'll listen to something like Wintersun... who are teh cooler.

lolz acronyms.

Dude they werent candy metal until hate crew death roll.

And psyopus and shit are a different kind of technical no? (I can barely remember hearing some psyopus somewhere.)

Noodles, know any free legal downloads for your sort of bands?

noodles · **Posted:** Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:32 am

Yeah Psyopus are a different kind of style but Rad brought up my "stop-start-guitar-being-thrown-down-the-stairs" kind of music... so yeah. I guess I can see what you guys mean about their earlier stuff being more complex, but I dunno, I just don't think they were really good at it and then when Alexi does that attempt at singing for a lot of choruses on Hatebreeder it just makes me laugh.

heavy · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:32 pm

Pasqua wrote:

I was very disappointed in their last album too. When I heard Roope was going to join the band, I was drooling, expecting the same SINERGY twin guitar solos and shit. But it didn't happen. Damn.

These guys are so talented I can't believe they're "dead". Hopefully, "Are you dead yet" will be a minor setback in their long-great discography.

Laiho, Warman and Roope in the same band ... C'mon guys, you can do better than this.

Still, I'll buy the DVD the second it arrives in the stores.

i hear that but i still thought it was a great album , it wasnt another hate crew but they were probly aiming for that exact angle to change up the sound or to what they thought was a better sound

are you dead yet is still a good album

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:16 pm

fucking one note nu metal riffs.

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