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Yeah fine. I stand by my point of view that having a blanket dislike for a racial group based on a few unpleasant encounters with some of their number is the sign of a sad, twisted little mind. I can only a ssume a white person has never said a bad word to DEA. Only the blacks. And probably the damn Mexicans.

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And I agree with you, but like I've mentioned countless times there is no way you can understand her reasons! If I had to guess I'd say it runs a little deeper than groping and looks and comments.

Why does my sister date blacks only after being raped by a white guy? She doesn't hate white people! Doesn't disassociate herself with them, but sexually and romantically she just can't do it. Why?

Why do people generally never again drink an alcoholic beverage that they once got totally fucked up on? I'll never again drink peppermint schnapps or butterscotch schnapps! I first drank that shit at 15, I was sick for a week! I can hardly handle the smell of that shit now, 15 years later. Why?

Why do people have irrational fears of anything? Why do I run and scream like a bitch when I see a spider that can't harm me? Do you dislike people that have a fear of spiders? Or a fear of water? Or a fear of heights? Why, then, is it so hard to except some people may have an irrational fear of blacks? I've been bitten by a black widow spider when I was in Arkansas, is that why I hate spiders?

If the families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks had a fear, even a hatred, of people of Muslim decent, would you be so quick to judge? Would it be ignorant and racist? Sure! But would you not be able to understand why?

Why? Why? Why? Can you answer any of these questions? Nope. Thus you can think all you want, but you'll never understand the reasoning behind something unless you listen, and sadly, like I said, not many of you are listening to DEA. I have listened, and people accuse me of taking her side, which I've clearly not done at all. Your minds are made up, why continue the conversation then? Nothing she says will sink in with you guys, I'd be surprised if you're all actually reading everything she writes before replying.

I'm sure you answered a lot of those questions just then??


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Ken, you're being ridiculous. There is more than a slight difference between not drinking Wild Turkey because it gives you the shits, and thinking that non-whites are the scum of the earth!

I think everyone's over the initial "OMG, she ahtes blakz!" phase. Obviously, she has reasons for her feelings, but the plain, bottom line is: hating people because of their race is wrong, whatever half-arsed justifications you can pull out of the air. And that fact isn't being emphasized enough.

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You know, I found the most interesting quote earlier in this thread.

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You people who hate racists and get mad when racists say they dislike all black people, for example, are sure quick to say all racists are such and such. I guess generalising and stereotyping is only a no-no for people you already don't like. Yay for double standards. :roll:


So...saying that black people are such-and-such is perfectly acceptable, but saying that racists are such-and-such is not?

Read again Kayla, she's saying that you blame her for hating "all" blacks, but you don't mind hating "all" racists. Now you could say that the only thing blacks have in common is that they are black, a matter of appearance that they did not decided themselves, while racists have in common that they hate based on tan, which is something they have their reasons for: a choice. So racists are racist, but people hating racists are prejudged, as they do not know the exact reasons behind their racist thoughts, a hasty generalisation. Racism and bias are the same thing, but in very different degrees, I daresay Desolate has a point, but is not entirely right.

As clearly I would have absolutely no reasons of my own to distrust someone who claims to hold extremely prejudicial views about other people based on race, religion, etc. I'm not a knee-jerk liberal, despite going to a women's college in western Massachusetts; hell, going there has actually made me more conservative, because of the extreme levels of hippie bullshit. All I'm saying is that if she feels comfortable hating an entire group of people, it is the height of hypocrisy for her to criticize anyone else for doing something similar.


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Ken, you're being ridiculous. There is more than a slight difference between not drinking Wild Turkey because it gives you the shits, and thinking that non-whites are the scum of the earth!

Once again, Zad, you're not listening. It's call association. For what reason does one associate rational or irrational behavior? Can you answer that question?


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Ken, you're being ridiculous. There is more than a slight difference between not drinking Wild Turkey because it gives you the shits, and thinking that non-whites are the scum of the earth!

Once again, Zad, you're not listening. It's call association. For what reason does one associate rational or irrational behavior? Can you answer that question?


Rational behaviour is being wary of blacks because they verbally harass you.

Irrational behaviour is phrases like 'mexicans invading' and the belief that a gun-toting nation is safer than one that is gun-free.


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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?


fuck, most guns that people buy illegaly were legally purchased buy law-abiding citizens whose gun got stolen or lost. And a gun makes it much easier for a perfectly rational person to lose his tempre and just shoot someone. also, you can buy a gun as long as you haven't been hospitalized for mental insanity. it doesn't matter if you've ever been insane, just if you were hospitalized. I mean, fuck! making guns illegal for everyone would obviously make it harder for criminals to get them.

Zad, are you with me on this one?


If someone is willing to kill another person over merely losing their temper, then guns aren't an issue. That person is obviously fucked up. That person could also just as easily pick up a knife instead. Hell, just today, a hooker was found dead cuz some fuckwad shoved a cellphone down her throat. You can make a weapon out of just about anything, you ban one and someone will make another.


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If someone is willing to kill another person over merely losing their temper, then guns aren't an issue. That person is obviously fucked up. That person could also just as easily pick up a knife instead. Hell, just today, a hooker was found dead cuz some fuckwad shoved a cellphone down her throat. You can make a weapon out of just about anything, you ban one and someone will make another.


But guns make it a hell of a lot easier. A person that could kill with a gun won't necessarily walk over and strangle the other person. What, just because they might kill people anyway, might as well let them do it with guns? RUBBISH!


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Ken, you're being ridiculous. There is more than a slight difference between not drinking Wild Turkey because it gives you the shits, and thinking that non-whites are the scum of the earth!

Once again, Zad, you're not listening. It's call association. For what reason does one associate rational or irrational behavior? Can you answer that question?

Rational behaviour is being wary of blacks because they verbally harass you.

Irrational behaviour is phrases like 'mexicans invading' and the belief that a gun-toting nation is safer than one that is gun-free.

But Mexicans are invading.


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If someone is willing to kill another person over merely losing their temper, then guns aren't an issue. That person is obviously fucked up. That person could also just as easily pick up a knife instead. Hell, just today, a hooker was found dead cuz some fuckwad shoved a cellphone down her throat. You can make a weapon out of just about anything, you ban one and someone will make another.


But guns make it a hell of a lot easier. A person that could kill with a gun won't necessarily walk over and strangle the other person. What, just because they might kill people anyway, might as well let them do it with guns? RUBBISH!


A person who is willing to murder someone is going to do it no matter what they have available. They have something wrong in their head in the first place. Guns don't make it easier, hell, there isn't a kitchen in America that doesn't have a giant fucking butcher knife in it. I'd say using something that is sold in every store in the country and is already in your kitchen would be easier than using a gun.


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Eyesore wrote:
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Ken, you're being ridiculous. There is more than a slight difference between not drinking Wild Turkey because it gives you the shits, and thinking that non-whites are the scum of the earth!

Once again, Zad, you're not listening. It's call association. For what reason does one associate rational or irrational behavior? Can you answer that question?

Rational behaviour is being wary of blacks because they verbally harass you.

Irrational behaviour is phrases like 'mexicans invading' and the belief that a gun-toting nation is safer than one that is gun-free.

But Mexicans are invading.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
A person who is willing to murder someone is going to do it no matter what they have available. They have something wrong in their head in the first place. Guns don't make it easier, hell, there isn't a kitchen in America that doesn't have a giant fucking butcher knife in it. I'd say using something that is sold in every store in the country and is already in your kitchen would be easier than using a gun.


So, you're saying a person, when faced with the choice of killing someone with a knife or a gun, wouldn't necessarily go for a gun? Gunjs you just pull the trigger ; you don't have to walk over and stab the person and watch the blood come out and rip the knife out and do it again and again and again until they are dead. People won't do that; people will pull a trigger.

Anyway, according to you everyone has guns anyway! :P


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If someone is willing to kill another person over merely losing their temper, then guns aren't an issue. That person is obviously fucked up. That person could also just as easily pick up a knife instead. Hell, just today, a hooker was found dead cuz some fuckwad shoved a cellphone down her throat. You can make a weapon out of just about anything, you ban one and someone will make another.


But guns make it a hell of a lot easier. A person that could kill with a gun won't necessarily walk over and strangle the other person. What, just because they might kill people anyway, might as well let them do it with guns? RUBBISH!


A person who is willing to murder someone is going to do it no matter what they have available. They have something wrong in their head in the first place. Guns don't make it easier, hell, there isn't a kitchen in America that doesn't have a giant fucking butcher knife in it. I'd say using something that is sold in every store in the country and is already in your kitchen would be easier than using a gun.


I can defend myself if someone come at me and has to get within arm range with a knife, but i can't do anything if they're standing 3 meters a way from me with a gun. Despite what hollywood has to say about it.

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A person who is willing to murder someone is going to do it no matter what they have available. They have something wrong in their head in the first place. Guns don't make it easier, hell, there isn't a kitchen in America that doesn't have a giant fucking butcher knife in it. I'd say using something that is sold in every store in the country and is already in your kitchen would be easier than using a gun.


So, you're saying a person, when faced with the choice of killing someone with a knife or a gun, wouldn't necessarily go for a gun? Gunjs you just pull the trigger ; you don't have to walk over and stab the person and watch the blood come out and rip the knife out and do it again and again and again until they are dead. People won't do that; people will pull a trigger.

Anyway, according to you everyone has guns anyway! :P


I'm just saying, if you take guns away they will find something else. Banning guns, unfortunately, won't sove even half of the problems. You'd be amazed at some of the things people are willing to do to get their jollies. I watch a lot of Forensics stuff on Court TV, and had my mind blown at some of the ingenious methods people have used.


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Zad wrote:
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Ken, you're being ridiculous. There is more than a slight difference between not drinking Wild Turkey because it gives you the shits, and thinking that non-whites are the scum of the earth!

Once again, Zad, you're not listening. It's call association. For what reason does one associate rational or irrational behavior? Can you answer that question?

Rational behaviour is being wary of blacks because they verbally harass you.

Irrational behaviour is phrases like 'mexicans invading' and the belief that a gun-toting nation is safer than one that is gun-free.

But Mexicans are invading.

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Said in a joking manner, but it's really not far-fetched.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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A person who is willing to murder someone is going to do it no matter what they have available. They have something wrong in their head in the first place. Guns don't make it easier, hell, there isn't a kitchen in America that doesn't have a giant fucking butcher knife in it. I'd say using something that is sold in every store in the country and is already in your kitchen would be easier than using a gun.


So, you're saying a person, when faced with the choice of killing someone with a knife or a gun, wouldn't necessarily go for a gun? Gunjs you just pull the trigger ; you don't have to walk over and stab the person and watch the blood come out and rip the knife out and do it again and again and again until they are dead. People won't do that; people will pull a trigger.

Anyway, according to you everyone has guns anyway! :P


I'm just saying, if you take guns away they will find something else. Banning guns, unfortunately, won't sove even half of the problems. You'd be amazed at some of the things people are willing to do to get their jollies. I watch a lot of Forensics stuff on Court TV, and had my mind blown at some of the ingenious methods people have used.


As Rad said, not now it won't. And I'm sure I could find examples of people hurting each other with all sorts of weird and wonderful objects, doesn't mean everyone will do it because there are no guns.

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Said in a joking manner, but it's really not far-fetched.


Bigot. :P


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If someone is willing to kill another person over merely losing their temper, then guns aren't an issue. That person is obviously fucked up. That person could also just as easily pick up a knife instead. Hell, just today, a hooker was found dead cuz some fuckwad shoved a cellphone down her throat. You can make a weapon out of just about anything, you ban one and someone will make another.


But guns make it a hell of a lot easier. A person that could kill with a gun won't necessarily walk over and strangle the other person. What, just because they might kill people anyway, might as well let them do it with guns? RUBBISH!


A person who is willing to murder someone is going to do it no matter what they have available. They have something wrong in their head in the first place. Guns don't make it easier, hell, there isn't a kitchen in America that doesn't have a giant fucking butcher knife in it. I'd say using something that is sold in every store in the country and is already in your kitchen would be easier than using a gun.


I can defend myself if someone come at me and has to get within arm range with a knife, but i can't do anything if they're standing 3 meters a way from me with a gun. Despite what hollywood has to say about it.


If someone comes at you in a psychotic rage, you're going to have a tough go at it eithier way. Adrenaline can turn pain receptors off, so beating on them might not even do you any good.

Plus, everyone knows ninja throwing stars are far more superior weapons than guns, and I'd like to see you try to take a Ninja's throwing stars away.


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If someone comes at you in a psychotic rage, you're going to have a tough go at it eithier way. Adrenaline can turn pain receptors off, so beating on them might not even do you any good.

Plus, everyone knows ninja throwing stars are far more superior weapons than guns, and I'd like to see you try to take a Ninja's throwing stars away.


:lol: Again, that's your country's fault for encouraging ninjas to breed. Now, here we had pirates...


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By the way, the notion of this country being safer if people could carry guns is clearly a double-edged sword, but those that are for are the people that see this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXUFA0W_4os

...and understand that the guy in the clip would likely never do that if he feared that woman in the car had a gun and could use it. Of course, would he then have a crowbar or he would also have a gun? Double-edged.

I'm shocked this thread is as civil as it is. This has got to be a record of some sort.


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I'm shocked this thread is as civil as it is. This has got to be a record of some sort.


Well, you only came along in the last few pages, give it time. Bignose.


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I'm shocked this thread is as civil as it is. This has got to be a record of some sort.

Well, you only came along in the last few pages, give it time. Bignose.

Oh. Right. That's your last warning!

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