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@Zad- They are invading. We have something like an estimated 12 million Mexicans here illegally. YOUR government admits it doesn't even have any idea how many Arabs are in your country illegally. I call that an invasion. Especially considering how they leech off of welfare.

Have you any idea how stupid that sounds?? Think before you type. For a start, in the UK immigrant workers put far more into the economy then they take out of it. Fact. And secondly, your talking about ilegal imigrants leaching off our welfare?? :roll: OMG. I'll explain this to you. Because they're ilegally in the country and on a list for deportation, we don't give them benifits. They have no National Insurance numbers, without one, you cannot sign on for beifits. They are not part of our national data base, you cannot claim benifits if your not on this. If they went to any kind of offical building they would run the risk of being detacted and deported from the country. In other words, ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR AN ILEGAL IMMIGRANT TO CLAIM BEIFITS! you just pull that peice of shit agrument out of your arse.

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The difference between my immigrants ancestors and the Mexican hordes is that my ancestors came legally. They had to come through Ellis Island and show that they were in good health and knew a thing or three about America. Then they were dumped on the mainland and left to make their own way.

errrrmmm......didn't your ancestors have a war with the native indians because they were unhappy with you invading their land??? yes, i remember now, you did. Lets genocide a race because they have an objection to us moving in on their land. Those silly Indians, didn't they realise that it was 'legal'??? :roll:

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The invaders refuse to come legally, and then demand that we give them whatever they want. They don't think they should have to show that they are disease free like legal immigrants do. I guess they think they're just too good for that, even though they're bringing diseases back that were nearly eradicated in this country. They also don't think they have to learn English and that they deserve to have welfare to fall back on, which most do because they have more children than they can afford to feed. Nevermind that hospitals here are going broke left and right because the law says you have to treat anyone who comes to the emergency room, regardless of their legal status or ability to pay. So the mexicans go to the ER for every little sniffle and cough and then don't pay a dime, which leaves the hospital to foot the bill and drives up health care costs for everyone else.

I don't know a lot about your countrys welfare system. But i can smell bullshit. I find it very odd that your country would give beifits to people who are illigaly in your country, thats just emcouraging them. I think you made that up.


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Banning guns wouldn't do any good. People who get them on the black market, as most criminals in the US already do, would stil be able to get them off of the black market. Regulations only work when people are using LEGAL method to obtain something. Drugs are illegal in this country, yet I can still get drugs anytime I please.


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Banning guns wouldn't do any good. People who get them on the black market, as most criminals in the US already do, would stil be able to get them off of the black market. Regulations only work when people are using LEGAL method to obtain something. Drugs are illegal in this country, yet I can still get drugs anytime I please.


Why is there such a huge black market, then? Surely the legal status of guns only adds to that? Sure professionals might, but doesn't DEA mean the riff-raff blacks who get guns by stealing them from houses and shops? REmvoing them would make things harder...

Although I agree with Craig, it's a bit late now to start banning them.


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@Zad- They are invading. We have something like an estimated 12 million Mexicans here illegally. YOUR government admits it doesn't even have any idea how many Arabs are in your country illegally. I call that an invasion. Especially considering how they leech off of welfare.

Have you any idea how stupid that sounds?? Think before you type. For a start, in the UK immigrant workers put far more into the economy then they take out of it. Fact. And secondly, your talking about ilegal imigrants leaching off our welfare?? :roll: OMG. I'll explain this to you. Because they're ilegally in the country and on a list for deportation, we don't give them benifits. They have no National Insurance numbers, without one, you cannot sign on for beifits. They are not part of our national data base, you cannot claim benifits if your not on this. If they went to any kind of offical building they would run the risk of being detacted and deported from the country. In other words, ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR AN ILEGAL IMMIGRANT TO CLAIM BEIFITS! you just pull that peice of shit agrument out of your arse.

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The difference between my immigrants ancestors and the Mexican hordes is that my ancestors came legally. They had to come through Ellis Island and show that they were in good health and knew a thing or three about America. Then they were dumped on the mainland and left to make their own way.

errrrmmm......didn't your ancestors have a war with the native indians because they were unhappy with you invading their land??? yes, i remember now, you did. Lets genocide a race because they have an objection to us moving in on their land. Those silly Indians, didn't they realise that it was 'legal'??? :roll:

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The invaders refuse to come legally, and then demand that we give them whatever they want. They don't think they should have to show that they are disease free like legal immigrants do. I guess they think they're just too good for that, even though they're bringing diseases back that were nearly eradicated in this country. They also don't think they have to learn English and that they deserve to have welfare to fall back on, which most do because they have more children than they can afford to feed. Nevermind that hospitals here are going broke left and right because the law says you have to treat anyone who comes to the emergency room, regardless of their legal status or ability to pay. So the mexicans go to the ER for every little sniffle and cough and then don't pay a dime, which leaves the hospital to foot the bill and drives up health care costs for everyone else.

I don't know a lot about your countrys welfare system. But i can smell bullshit. I find it very odd that your country would give beifits to people who are illigaly in your country, thats just emcouraging them. I think you made that up.

This, class, is a textbook example of the phenomenon we know as "PWNT." Pay particular attention to the expert use of fact against baseless assumption in the first paragraph.


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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?
If you ban all guns, or even all guns that are made to be used on other humans, it will be a lot harder to obtain guns to sell illegaly to criminals. I'm not saying it would remove all criminals having guns, but it would help the problem.

I also find it funny how you're arguing that guns aren't the reason for high murder rates AND that criminals will obtain guns anyways. Not so sure of one of your arguments are we? :P


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Banning guns wouldn't do any good. People who get them on the black market, as most criminals in the US already do, would stil be able to get them off of the black market. Regulations only work when people are using LEGAL method to obtain something. Drugs are illegal in this country, yet I can still get drugs anytime I please.


Why is there such a huge black market, then? Surely the legal status of guns only adds to that? Sure professionals might, but doesn't DEA mean the riff-raff blacks who get guns by stealing them from houses and shops? REmvoing them would make things harder...

Although I agree with Craig, it's a bit late now to start banning them.


Actually, those "riff-raff" Blacks, usually don't steal them from people's homes. Gangs are a form of organized crime, and therefore they have direct ties to the Black Market. If you know the right places, you can buy a gun right out of the trunk of a car. I don't think the legal status of guns has anything to do with that at all. These are people who are ineligilbe to obtain them legally. If guns were banned, these people would still have easy access to them, and the law abiding citizens would be at their mercy. Wasn't Australia's experiment with this a terrible failure?


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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Banning guns wouldn't do any good. People who get them on the black market, as most criminals in the US already do, would stil be able to get them off of the black market. Regulations only work when people are using LEGAL method to obtain something. Drugs are illegal in this country, yet I can still get drugs anytime I please.


Why is there such a huge black market, then? Surely the legal status of guns only adds to that? Sure professionals might, but doesn't DEA mean the riff-raff blacks who get guns by stealing them from houses and shops? REmvoing them would make things harder...

Although I agree with Craig, it's a bit late now to start banning them.


Actually, those "riff-raff" Blacks, usually don't steal them from people's homes. Gangs are a form of organized crime, and therefore they have direct ties to the Black Market. If you know the right places, you can buy a gun right out of the trunk of a car. I don't think the legal status of guns has anything to do with that at all. These are people who are ineligilbe to obtain them legally. If guns were banned, these people would still have easy access to them, and the law abiding citizens would be at their mercy. Wasn't Australia's experiment with this a terrible failure?


If no-one had guns except los coppers, how would they get them in the first place?


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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?
If you ban all guns, or even all guns that are made to be used on other humans, it will be a lot harder to obtain guns to sell illegaly to criminals. I'm not saying it would remove all criminals having guns, but it would help the problem.

I also find it funny how you're arguing that guns aren't the reason for high murder rates AND that criminals will obtain guns anyways. Not so sure of one of your arguments are we? :P


You seem to forget that millions of pounds of illegal drugs, pornography, etc, get into this country every single day. Fuck man, the mafia pretty much controls all of the ports on the East Coast. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't get it.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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Banning guns wouldn't do any good. People who get them on the black market, as most criminals in the US already do, would stil be able to get them off of the black market. Regulations only work when people are using LEGAL method to obtain something. Drugs are illegal in this country, yet I can still get drugs anytime I please.


Why is there such a huge black market, then? Surely the legal status of guns only adds to that? Sure professionals might, but doesn't DEA mean the riff-raff blacks who get guns by stealing them from houses and shops? REmvoing them would make things harder...

Although I agree with Craig, it's a bit late now to start banning them.


Actually, those "riff-raff" Blacks, usually don't steal them from people's homes. Gangs are a form of organized crime, and therefore they have direct ties to the Black Market. If you know the right places, you can buy a gun right out of the trunk of a car. I don't think the legal status of guns has anything to do with that at all. These are people who are ineligilbe to obtain them legally. If guns were banned, these people would still have easy access to them, and the law abiding citizens would be at their mercy. Wasn't Australia's experiment with this a terrible failure?

Yeah, but its the easy obtainability of guns over the years that has made them so easy to black market. If your gun laws had been the same as (for the want of a better example) the UK's, most of the people who sell them illegally would have found it much harder to obtain them in the first place.

As I said earlier though, making them illegal now would be pointless/dangerous, because of the existing amount already circulating illegally. It would effectively mean criminals were fully armed with law abiding people at their mercy.


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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?
If you ban all guns, or even all guns that are made to be used on other humans, it will be a lot harder to obtain guns to sell illegaly to criminals. I'm not saying it would remove all criminals having guns, but it would help the problem.

I also find it funny how you're arguing that guns aren't the reason for high murder rates AND that criminals will obtain guns anyways. Not so sure of one of your arguments are we? :P


You seem to forget that millions of pounds of illegal drugs, pornography, etc, get into this country every single day. Fuck man, the mafia pretty much controls all of the ports on the East Coast. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't get it.


Is it our fault your country's built on institutional corruption?


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Zad wrote:
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Banning guns wouldn't do any good. People who get them on the black market, as most criminals in the US already do, would stil be able to get them off of the black market. Regulations only work when people are using LEGAL method to obtain something. Drugs are illegal in this country, yet I can still get drugs anytime I please.


Why is there such a huge black market, then? Surely the legal status of guns only adds to that? Sure professionals might, but doesn't DEA mean the riff-raff blacks who get guns by stealing them from houses and shops? REmvoing them would make things harder...

Although I agree with Craig, it's a bit late now to start banning them.


Actually, those "riff-raff" Blacks, usually don't steal them from people's homes. Gangs are a form of organized crime, and therefore they have direct ties to the Black Market. If you know the right places, you can buy a gun right out of the trunk of a car. I don't think the legal status of guns has anything to do with that at all. These are people who are ineligilbe to obtain them legally. If guns were banned, these people would still have easy access to them, and the law abiding citizens would be at their mercy. Wasn't Australia's experiment with this a terrible failure?


If no-one had guns except los coppers, how would they get them in the first place?


What? Millions of illegal things get into my country, your country, and everybody elses country every single day. Like I said, you can get anything you want, as long as you know the right people. The Mob controls the port business in this country, you really think they are going to keep guns out? Certain types of guns are illegal here, like automatics and such, and yet, lo and behold, people stil get their hands on them.


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Zad wrote:
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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?
If you ban all guns, or even all guns that are made to be used on other humans, it will be a lot harder to obtain guns to sell illegaly to criminals. I'm not saying it would remove all criminals having guns, but it would help the problem.

I also find it funny how you're arguing that guns aren't the reason for high murder rates AND that criminals will obtain guns anyways. Not so sure of one of your arguments are we? :P


You seem to forget that millions of pounds of illegal drugs, pornography, etc, get into this country every single day. Fuck man, the mafia pretty much controls all of the ports on the East Coast. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't get it.


Is it our fault your country's built on institutional corruption?


Not my fault we learned from the forefathers of corruption, the British.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?
If you ban all guns, or even all guns that are made to be used on other humans, it will be a lot harder to obtain guns to sell illegaly to criminals. I'm not saying it would remove all criminals having guns, but it would help the problem.

I also find it funny how you're arguing that guns aren't the reason for high murder rates AND that criminals will obtain guns anyways. Not so sure of one of your arguments are we? :P


You seem to forget that millions of pounds of illegal drugs, pornography, etc, get into this country every single day. Fuck man, the mafia pretty much controls all of the ports on the East Coast. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't get it.


Is it our fault your country's built on institutional corruption?


Not my fault we learned from the forefathers of corruption, the British.


Hmm. That's why my country is awash with guns and dope and illegal porn, and the worst thing you have is a deputy prime minister who accepts gifts of cowboy outfits without declaring them? Excuse me if I laugh...


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The reason why this thread should be locked is because no one is listening to DEA. You've all got your assumptions and opinions and even when "she" says something totally different you don't even acknowledge it.

Ummm.. what? She says the reason us Euros don't have problems with blacks is we haven't got any.

And you took her comments out of context. You live in the UK, you have no idea what she is talking about, only in simple terms, and it's much more complicated than the way you see it.

Kenny, are you seriously implying there are no black people in the UK?

No, I'm implying that this is the US and that's the UK and people are different. In general, people in the UK are different from people here, thus the black people in the UK are different than those here is the US. And I'm being very specific here, I'm referring those blacks in which DEA is referring to, those that have made her think like this.

Remember what I said about people not listening? :roll:


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Eyesore wrote:
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The reason why this thread should be locked is because no one is listening to DEA. You've all got your assumptions and opinions and even when "she" says something totally different you don't even acknowledge it.

Ummm.. what? She says the reason us Euros don't have problems with blacks is we haven't got any.

And you took her comments out of context. You live in the UK, you have no idea what she is talking about, only in simple terms, and it's much more complicated than the way you see it.

Kenny, are you seriously implying there are no black people in the UK?

No, I'm implying that this is the US and that's the UK and people are different. In general, people in the UK are different from people here, thus the black people in the UK are different than those here is the US. And I'm being very specific here, I'm referring those blacks in which DEA is referring to, those that have made her think like this.

Remember what I said about people not listening? :roll:


Yeah fine. I stand by my point of view that having a blanket dislike for a racial group based on a few unpleasant encounters with some of their number is the sign of a sad, twisted little mind. I can only a ssume a white person has never said a bad word to DEA. Only the blacks. And probably the damn Mexicans.

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Zad wrote:
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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?
If you ban all guns, or even all guns that are made to be used on other humans, it will be a lot harder to obtain guns to sell illegaly to criminals. I'm not saying it would remove all criminals having guns, but it would help the problem.

I also find it funny how you're arguing that guns aren't the reason for high murder rates AND that criminals will obtain guns anyways. Not so sure of one of your arguments are we? :P


You seem to forget that millions of pounds of illegal drugs, pornography, etc, get into this country every single day. Fuck man, the mafia pretty much controls all of the ports on the East Coast. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't get it.


Is it our fault your country's built on institutional corruption?


Not my fault we learned from the forefathers of corruption, the British.


Hmm. That's why my country is awash with guns and dope and illegal porn, and the worst thing you have is a deputy prime minister who accepts gifts of cowboy outfits without declaring them? Excuse me if I laugh...


You should laugh, because it was just a fucking joke. Geez, pull the Union Jack out of your ass already, your country DOES have a very bloody and violent history of it's own. All in all, every country is just a fucking piece of land, with a bunce of rich asshats running them.


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You should laugh, because it was just a fucking joke. Geez, pull the Union Jack out of your ass already, your country DOES have a very bloody and violent history of it's own. All in all, every country is just a fucking piece of land, with a bunce of rich asshats running them.


Yes, I realised. Duh. :roll:

And yes, I'm very aware of my country's bloody past. If I was alive in those times I might even have tried to do something about it...


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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?


fuck, most guns that people buy illegaly were legally purchased buy law-abiding citizens whose gun got stolen or lost. And a gun makes it much easier for a perfectly rational person to lose his tempre and just shoot someone. also, you can buy a gun as long as you haven't been hospitalized for mental insanity. it doesn't matter if you've ever been insane, just if you were hospitalized. I mean, fuck! making guns illegal for everyone would obviously make it harder for criminals to get them.

Zad, are you with me on this one?

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Yeah fine. I stand by my point of view that having a blanket dislike for a racial group based on a few unpleasant encounters with some of their number is the sign of a sad, twisted little mind. I can only a ssume a white person has never said a bad word to DEA. Only the blacks. And probably the damn Mexicans.

ROLL

And I agree with you, but like I've mentioned countless times there is no way you can understand her reasons! If I had to guess I'd say it runs a little deeper than groping and looks and comments.

Why does my sister date blacks only after being raped by a white guy? She doesn't hate white people! Doesn't disassociate herself with them, but sexually and romantically she just can't do it. Why?

Why do people generally never again drink an alcoholic beverage that they once got totally fucked up on? I'll never again drink peppermint schnapps or butterscotch schnapps! I first drank that shit at 15, I was sick for a week! I can hardly handle the smell of that shit now, 15 years later. Why?

Why do people have irrational fears of anything? Why do I run and scream like a bitch when I see a spider that can't harm me? Do you dislike people that have a fear of spiders? Or a fear of water? Or a fear of heights? Why, then, is it so hard to except some people may have an irrational fear of blacks? I've been bitten by a black widow spider when I was in Arkansas, is that why I hate spiders?

If the families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks had a fear, even a hatred, of people of Muslim decent, would you be so quick to judge? Would it be ignorant and racist? Sure! But would you not be able to understand why?

Why? Why? Why? Can you answer any of these questions? Nope. Thus you can think all you want, but you'll never understand the reasoning behind something unless you listen, and sadly, like I said, not many of you are listening to DEA. I have listened, and people accuse me of taking her side, which I've clearly not done at all. Your minds are made up, why continue the conversation then? Nothing she says will sink in with you guys, I'd be surprised if you're all actually reading everything she writes before replying.


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Zad- Please explain to me how banning guns for law abiding citizens is going to stop gun crimes. I would like a nice outline of how you think that plan will work. How is that going to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals who are apt to commit crimes with a gun?


fuck, most guns that people buy illegaly were legally purchased buy law-abiding citizens whose gun got stolen or lost. And a gun makes it much easier for a perfectly rational person to lose his tempre and just shoot someone. also, you can buy a gun as long as you haven't been hospitalized for mental insanity. it doesn't matter if you've ever been insane, just if you were hospitalized. I mean, fuck! making guns illegal for everyone would obviously make it harder for criminals to get them.

Zad, are you with me on this one?
i agree with you. i dont think it would solve the problem but it would make it better.


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