Metal Reviews

Someone give this man a cigar!

leeeeee, Ken didn't say metal is to blame he said that it can be an incentive to an already fucked up person.

Leeee, shut it, please. Go an re-read what I said. You just wasted a lot of time trying to start a flamewar...again.

How could anyone misinterpret this shit?

I think what you said makes perfect sense, these fuckers would find reinforcement factors almost everywhere.

but he did hit the nail on the head about "uneducated" insights into metal. that shit simply isn't worth watching.

I was talking to 'Glen Benton' on MSN last night. LOL

glen6benton66@hotmail.com

Leee hit nothing on the head, he didn't even watch the damn thing! He's just talking out of his ass as usual.

The documentary was not accusatory at all. I think the name Death Metal Music was a bit misleading as the whole show was essentially about the crimes that these kids commited, and far less about music.

Actually leee did hit the nail right on the head.

Mainstream filmmakers are totally unqualified to make a documentary about subcultures such as this. To my mind that's a fact and nothing more should be said. They didn't understand metal, they didn't try to understand it. Metal is a genre without mainstream credibility, which I sometimes see as a positive thing, but what it does mean is that any fucker can talk bullshit about it and go uncountered. I know how much you prefer pop, Ken, but that shouldn't mean you should accept lower standards of journalism about the subject. Shame on the BBC for airing this as well, normally I would expect higher from them in terms of investigative journalism.



When it was released in the UK it was called "Death Metal Murders". I don't know why they changed the name, because that was a more appropriate one.



There are only two possible ways that this isn't total bullshit. Either my memory has totally fucked me over and everything I remember of the film is false. Or, Death Metal Music and Death Metal Murders are two entirely different films dealing about the same subject.

First off, leee didn't see the documentary. I won't listen to a word he says because it's based on nothing.

Secondly, I don't like pop. That was a lame attempt at an insult. Let's try to not go there again.

And finally, it is the same documentary, to my knowledge. It was not accusatory. It wasn't balanced perfectly with idiots like Glen Benton as the opposing opinion, but it was not a documentary that said "METAL MAKES PEOPLE MURDER!" It was a look into things such as murder, rape and satanism, and the relationship it may have with death/black metal that glorifies such things.

And there is a relationship there. If you're into satan and like to mutilate people, would you not be drawn to music that glorifies such things? Maybe not, but denying the correlation is kind of naive.

you (as a mutilation and satan enthusiast) may be drawn to such music, but i don't think it goes the other way around as well (liking death metal -> liking corpse raping and all that fun stuff), which unfortunately is an opinion some people seem to have.

Ken, i didn't watch it either, but my comment wasn't on this show anyway. in fact i've never watched a documentary of this kind, but i've seen articles and news reports and that was enough for me to know that outside opinions on metal don't matter at all. i'll take my opinions from people who know/care what they're talking about, thanks.

Well, despite not having seen it he's right in this case. There's no way around it: This documentary was made by people that didn't understand their subject matter. Are you going to say that they did? And if not, how can you possibly justify making a documentary this serious about a subject you don't understand?



Hardly much of an insult. How about this- you have a rather patronising manner and give the impression that you think everyone else is much stupider than you? That's an insult, but we don't have to go there again unless you want to...



No, it was the story of an innocent young boy whose life turned to shit as soon as he discovere DEATH METAL MUSIC (Hiss) And it seemed like they went to a lot of trouble to find the people that would provide the least compelling opposing opinion.



This is true. Murderers may well be drawn to metal, but they are not created by it. This is pretty self-evident, but it's exactly the type of thing the program failed to realise, or discuss.

I don't need to watch it to know that it is typical mainstream bullshit talking about things they don't understand. They don't understand why I listen to Black Metal or Death Metal, they don't understand why Heavy Metal means a lot to me and they certainly don't understand why fucked up people commit crimes like this if they are going to blame it on Death Metal and Glenn Benton.

It is just a cop out to blame shit and shift blame. Their will always be fucked up people in the world. Manson didn't have Death Metal, neither did Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy etc. AC/DC was blamed for that Nightstalker fucker. I don't watch shit by people that don't know what they are talking about. I wouldn't make a documentry about space travel.......

Anyways I go to other sites where people don't ridicule metal fans and I can read transcripts, I know what it was about.

Ken did you used to go around kicking the shit out of the trench coat kids, is that why so ultra conservative about this stuff?

Actually I wasn't trying to start anything. Just voiceing my opinion on what I think of yuppies make documentries about music I love and trying to make everyone that listens to it into a bunch of retards.

Actually it isn't a waste of time for me to type about things I believe in a lot. Extreme Metal is important to me, it has got me through a lot believe it or not.

Why do I have to "see" something to know what it is? My opinion on something I haven't seen is just as valid as people making a documentry about something they have no clue about right?

Why do you think Glenn Benton is an idiot? Because he burned a cross into his head to make money when his band was starting out? Read the latest Terrorizer (a truely great mag) with Deicide on the cover, the guy is not an idiot at all.

What subject? Death metal? That wasn't the subject! The documentary was about a small satanic cult and its victims.


If you take my words that way that is YOUR problem. I am not patronising nor do I think everyone else is "stupider" than me. If you interpret it that way, too bad. Not my problem, right?


No, it was a story of an innocent boy and the people he befriended THROUGH his love of death metal. Those people ultimately murdering him.


They failed to discuss it because they didn't need to, that's not what it was about.

But you slammed me for a whole bunch of shit I never said, dude. If you're going to speculate, please make sure I haven't said the direct opposite already.


You need to see it because you're barking up the wrong tree. Your analysis of this documentary is inaccurate. That's why!


Arguing semantics online is dumb. My point was that Glen Benton was not the best choice for a balanced view.

I am not slamming you man, it just didn't suprise me that you would think this was an ok documentry is all.... You do have the right to your own opinion. Honest, the first thing I thought when I saw this thread was "I bet Ken says this documentry was ok".

Yeah, it was OK, but it was misleading. It really wasn't about death metal, at least not like it implied. The main focus was this little cult and the murders they commited. Yes, the association to music was suggested, but it was not implied that they actually did this stuff because of the music.

The only think people should be upset about is the fact that the title was misleading, not the content therein.

That was a conclusion of the film.

This sounds more like a shitfest. Most probably the documentary producer was a former metalhead and he turned back to religion etc. It happens. You should talk to the Christian converts over here. They hate metal like fuck. And they're all former metalheads. And they blame metal for they're misdoings in the past....drugs, liquor etc. I had this colleague of mine whose hubby was a former metalhead. He did dope and shit. Now they've converted to Christianity (they were buddhists) and started preachin to me all the shit about metal. I remember the lady (his wife) saying : "He (hubby) went to this river and burnt all his metal records. The sky darkened immediately and the weather changed. It was madness....I'm grateful Jesus saved us."

Well he can't save me....I'm in to deep. lol.