Metal Reviews

Must....not......get involved....in....political/religious........discussion!

If only... Black metal has failed me :cry:

That's really gay.

I'm Malaysian Chinese.............. unfortunately the authorities are that fucking ignorant. It seems to them only Muslims listen to metal. hah.



Chinese are worse haha, the Japanese pop culture is a big joke to me...... Pretty much got owned by the Americans after WW2 i suppose.

I can't stand those chinese hip-hop gangster wannabes...

Getting nuked (twice) does that to you.



No shit!

Yeah I think that anti-religious stance is pretty out in the open there! I wonder how much careful study it took to realize that.

I'm glad this finally happened, now I can finally be a badass

Can we now expect anti-Islamic BM? Could be interesting...

Wait for my abum, it's TSAIBM (Turkish Shamanic Anti Islamic bm).



wink

LoL

It's funny how Malaysia works... they can ban something on the grounds of it being "offensive to Muslim morals" and the ban only applies to a certain subset of the population. While is sucks that they banned Muslims from listening to Black Metal, they did make the distinction of allowing non-Muslims the freedom to listen to it. When I was in Malaysia there seemed to be quite a few Black Metal fans... it will be interesting to see what sort of scene the country develops now that a good chunk of the population has been banned from it.

Well, i'm not a big fan of black metal, but i think banning it is moronic. I believe (and hope) that this ban will cause rebellion against religious influences in the islamic world :evil:

I've seen far more unreasonable things done here in the States. I mean this is the same country where Lamb of God was banned from a church-owned theater because their name USED TO BE Burn The Priest. In a way, I can see where they're coming from, but I thought Christianity was supposed to promote "forgiveness." I don't consider banning a band for a former moniker "forgiveness." Interestingly, that theater publically stated they they never read the band's lyrics but it was a "safe assumption that they're religiously offensive." Ironically, LOG is not Satanic and never even brings up religion in their lyrics. I can name some similar stories - such as Marilyn Manson taking heat for the Columbine Shootings - only for those same religious authorities to find out that the Columbine Kids didn't even like Marilyn Manson.

Nonetheless, I think banning black metal altogether is just insane. People have a right to listen to whatever turns them on, and I think the effect such lyrics have probably depends largely on the individual listening to them. If they're going to ban black metal, they might as well also ban death metal for that matter. Death metal lyrics can be just as grotesque after all.

I find it funny that everyone got in their underwear in a knot over this, because Lamb Of God themselves were very professional about it. They said it was the owner's venue, and if he didn't want them to play there, it was his choice.

And no matter how you look at it, neither this, nor Marylin Manson being blamed for the Columbine shootings are as unreasonable as BANNING Black Metal all together.

I suppose.

I must say, there's something about the whole issue of Atheism/Agnosticism that fascinates me. Having grown up Catholic, I was raised on (and to this day still believe in) the idea that God is Good. God represents all things good. But at the same time, he gives us a free will (which is where the whole "religion discourages free thinking" notion is inaccurate). And this free will is why the Devil (who represents all things bad/evil) resides in Hell. As a kid, I picked up the idea that Atheists were simply trying to be rebelious and go "against the grain." But it's interesting seeing Atheists viewing God as the exact opposite of how I view Him (and yes, I know Atheists don't believe there is a God). A lot of them believe that God does not represent all things good but represents anger/selfishness/etc. That certainly would seem to go against the general notion that being a Christian means you're automatically a good person and being an Atheist/Satanist means you're automatically a bad person. Bad Religion even wrote a song on their last album called Atheist Peace in an attempt to dispell that whole notion.

That whole general notion is probably also why Christian Corruption gets so much publicity nowadays. There are probably just as many Atheists out there who are child molesters, murderers, etc. It's just that because Christianity supposedly represents all things good and holy, Priests doing that sort of thing get a lot more media attention.

To put it simply, religion itself is not the public enemy IMO. The public enemy is the man who abuses its power and uses it for his own personal gain.

I like that rant.

Given that the vast majority of religious people believe what they do because they were raised and educated to do so, it seems safe to say that people follow god through force of tradition, not choice.

I agree with Milton's Satan: "Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven". Those who reject "Him" govern their own actions and accept the consequences, but what does "free will" mean to a servant, in heaven or anywhere else?

It would be interesting to hear an anti-Islamic BM band. Anti-Christian musicians may ruffle a few feathers here and there occasionally, but to release an album called "Fuck me, Mohammed" would probably take a lot more bollocks in this day and age...

Hello all!

Ive been skulking around, mostly just reading. I havent had time to post.

but I couldnt ignore this piece of news, being malaysian and a muslim, though not really malay.

first of all, about the current scene, 99% of msian BM fans are generally posers to the nth degree. you know, the dimmu-cof type. anything with violins and a gothicky sound is immediately catagorised as BM. the other 1% (including myself, our own otakon, some old forumer by the name of ruthless_killer, and one or two people ive met on friendster, and maybe a few others) are the only ones actually aware of trve BM, and the true wonders of the genre (noenum, drudkh, forest of fog etc.)

about the banning, im not surprised. in a way its probably a scapegoat for the so-called decline in 'moral values' that those long bearded, turban wearing religious types so often complain about.

what makes me feel bitter is the reason the turban heads gave. err...violence? ive seen rap/hip-hop fans get violent, never metalheads. hmm...alcoholism? the only muslims ive seen drinking are, as always, rap/hip-hop fans. and lastly, sexual misconduct? wtf? turban heads are OK with rnb songs on the radio about clubbing and having sex, but arent happy with music that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject?


anyway, i have yet to be arrested for listening to the stuff. maybe i should form a band and see what happens.



at those wondering whether anti-islamic BM will soon emerge, dont have high hopes. this is the government's doing. the fatwa method of banning is just to give it an islamic facade. putting on a holy face is the easy way to gain support here.



p.s, happy chinese new year to otakon! (and any other chinese forumites)

p.ps, there isnt a single 'good' msian BM band. Bazzah is probably the best you'll get. hmm i like that name. it'll be my new sig!

Well, I can remember reading in some LOG lyrics about smiting the shepherd and scattering the sheep. Which is pretty anti-xtian.

And (off-topic, sorries) there are a few feathers being ruffled in the Orthodox Jewish world at present about the general march of the atheists. It's interesting to see religious newspaper reactions to say, civil marriages (erodes moral fabric of society, only have to look at papers to see proof etc). Do no religious Jews ever stop and say, hang on a minute? No, they swallow it blind, which only goes to show how stupid people are.