HEAVEN AND HELL To Begin Writing New Album In March (#1904)

Adam · **Posted:** Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:15 pm

Radagast wrote:

Maybe we should just talk about the news and not drag up the same old "X vs X" again.

Sometimes the lure is just too great.

They definitely had a good thing going on those new songs, if they can manage to span that quality out for an album's worth, I'll be more than happy with the result.

Tompa · **Posted:** Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:15 pm

Radagast wrote:

So, uh, how 'bout that new Black Sabbath album guys?

Maybe we should just talk about the news and not drag up the same old "X vs X" again.

Personally I hope for more songs like The Ear in the Wall than Shadow on the Wind.

Ear in the Wall is my least favorite of the three new songs. I'm hoping they'll mix it up a bit though, listening to a whole album of mid to low tempo songs can get old. It will certainly be interesting to hear what they'll come up with, if they can keep the same quality on a whole album as on those songs. It will also be interesting to hear if they'll try something new or play it safe.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

The_Voice · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:04 am

Adveser wrote:

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

I see, so because his wife is a bitch you say "Ozzy sucks, his work in sabbath was crap", now thats bullshit, seriously dude if youre gonna talk shit about him fine please do so, but the truth is that the Black Sabbath era with Ozzy is fucking CLASSIC.

FlickoftheSwitch · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:14 am

Adveser wrote:

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

Pure nonsense! First, there's "ground" to criticize anyone, but you seem to have agenda of challenging metal legends and their well earned status. You have an unusual, and in my opinion, undue amount of disdain for people like Halford and Ozzy.

That's number 1.

Two, the "day they stop living up to that legacy is the day they lose the respect to go with it" is nonsense too. Every legend is human. Every legend gets old. And every legend has moments of imperfection. Are you suggesting that the "moment" legends experience any of the aforementioned, it cancels out who they are and what they've accomplished? Absurd. I would simply refer back to my point above about your agenda.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:02 am

What the fuck!
Sabbath is Osbourne / Iommi / Butler/ Ward.
Anyone that says otherwise does'nt know WTF they are talking about.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:05 am

Adveser wrote:

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

Whatever, man... no offense, but you are full of crap.
Ozzy >>>>> than you'll ever dream of being.
Show some fucking respect for your elders and your superiors.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:08 am

Adam wrote:

The_Voice wrote:

Yeah whatever dude, Ozzy is an asshole sharon is a bitch etc, but the first six Black Sabbath albums are fucking excellent and Ozzy kicked ass on them, he may havent been the creative force behind Sabbath but he is a fucking legend! and he may not be the best singer in metal but his voice is very distinctive, original and it was highly influential for a lot of metal singers, everything else you could say about him it doesnt matter but the truth is that early Black sabbath kicked ass and part of that was because of Ozzy.

+ alot

Yes, the Osbournes have basically made the Ozzy version of Sabbath a fucking gimmick to sell more Ozzfest tickets. Yes, Ozzy's vocals, especially live, are a mere shell of what they used to be. But that doesn't change the fact that all of the Ozzy-era BS albums from inception up to and including Sabotage are fucking classics. To imply that he just filled a spot and played no part in the creation of those albums smacks of ignorance on the subject. Where are you getting that sentiment?

Oh, and Sharon is a money-grubbing attention-whore. I remember a few years ago I went with some friends to see the Ozzfest Maiden played at. We walked over to the entrance of the t-shirt/schwag booth campus where all the kiddies were gobbling up $35 t-shirts. One of my friends stopped us and said, "Shh, if you guys listen real close you can hear the sound of Sharon's pussy sucking every cent out of the pockets of these poor little bastards." That's probably the best description I've heard to date.

He's pushing 60, what the hell... of course he's not the man he used to be.

Kuruus · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:09 am

This is good news. I was hoping that with all this touring a new studio album would be in the works. Master of the Moon was a weak effort and change was needed to bring back the creativity in Dio's career.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

FlickoftheSwitch wrote:

Adveser wrote:

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

Pure nonsense! First, there's "ground" to criticize anyone, but you seem to have agenda of challenging metal legends and their well earned status. You have an unusual, and in my opinion, undue amount of disdain for people like Halford and Ozzy.

That's number 1.

Two, the "day they stop living up to that legacy is the day they lose the respect to go with it" is nonsense too. Every legend is human. Every legend gets old. And every legend has moments of imperfection. Are you suggesting that the "moment" legends experience any of the aforementioned, it cancels out who they are and what they've accomplished? Absurd. I would simply refer back to my point above about your agenda.

What fucking agenda is that? I didn't really say anything negative about Halford at all. I love all the old guys a lot, but Ozzy never did anything to deserve the ungodly amount of praise he never earned. Get over it. Not liking Ozzy for obvious fact-based criticisms is not an agenda against yesterdays metal stars.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

cry of the banshee wrote:

Adveser wrote:

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

Whatever, man... no offense, but you are full of crap.
Ozzy >>>>> than you'll ever dream of being.
Show some fucking respect for your elders and your superiors.

No thanks. I'll show respect to the guys that make the best music. Ozzy never made any music without guys like Bob Daisley, Randy Rhoads, Jake E. Lee, ect.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

The_Voice wrote:

Adveser wrote:

I see, so because he was involved in a very minor way and as you say "he's ozzy" there is no ground to criticize him. Bullshit. Legends should live up to that moniker. The day they stop living up that legacy is the day they lose the respect that goes with it.

I see, so because his wife is a bitch you say "Ozzy sucks, his work in sabbath was crap", now thats bullshit, seriously dude if youre gonna talk shit about him fine please do so, but the truth is that the Black Sabbath era with Ozzy is fucking CLASSIC.

No. It has everything to do with him having a very miniscule presence in the music with his name on it. Let's be clear, I like most of ozzy's stuff until after ozzmosis, but other than his voice, what did he actually contibute to that music? Anyone could have done his job and most likely much better than he did.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:13 am

You're joking, right? "Other than his voice"?! You think people would buy those albums without the big "OZZY" on them?

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Zad wrote:

You're joking, right? "Other than his voice"?! You think people would buy those albums without the big "OZZY" on them?

Probably so. Let's say that David Coverdale hooked up with rhoads and daisley for whitesnake mark II and he wound up singing those songs. I'm sure that lineup would have been just as good and popular given that they were promoted heavily as Ozzy was.

FlickoftheSwitch · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:13 pm

Adveser wrote:

Zad wrote:

You're joking, right? "Other than his voice"?! You think people would buy those albums without the big "OZZY" on them?

Probably so. Let's say that David Coverdale hooked up with rhoads and daisley for whitesnake mark II and he wound up singing those songs. I'm sure that lineup would have been just as good and popular given that they were promoted heavily as Ozzy was.

You're completely discounting Ozzy's presence, antics, look, unique type of charisma...even his way of talking.

He simply is not just another cookie cutter singer as you're trying to make him out to be.

Radagast · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:30 pm

I *shudder* agree with Adveser to an extent here. Certainly Ozzy's wailing voice was key to the doomy despair of early Sabbath. With his solo career I certainly think many of the songs would have been better with a superior vocalist, but while his contribution to the creation of them was minimal, the fact is none of the songs would have been written and released the way they were if he (or rather, his management) hadn't brought all the elements togther. People were falling over themselves to join the new band of Ozzy Osbourne...the Black Sabbath vocalist. It was no happenstance that Daisley, Rhoads et al came together as a band.

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