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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:08 pm 
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I don't know how thing go over there, but here in Holland, there are certain places where these people meet if it's not in gaybars. Some parks are gay meeting places in the smaller midnight hours. If you walk through there after midnight, they assume you're on too and you're just begging to be hit on.


Around here that doesn't happen. The park is a place where you take your children to play, or for people to go exercise in, and the park legally closes at 10:00pm. They aren't sexual meet-up places around here, nor should they be. Usually if someone is hanging out in a park after hours around here, they are usually doing drugs or some other form of criminal activity.

There are plenty of gay-oriented bars around here, people who are gay can go there and be with like-minded people, have fun, and most importantly, be safe about it. If everyone in the place swings that way, then there is no risk of having bodily harm done. that seems like a much better alternative to hitting on people in a park.

Ok, well in Europe, most parks don't have gates that close. So after midnight, there is gay sex in some of them, it's a meeting place. Having sex in a gaybar is quite silly when everyone looks. There's the logic, maybe they didn't know it, but it's highly likely that they were asking for it. And then, some drunk gay hitting on you is not that much or a thread right, if you're with two?


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Exactly. I doubt there'd be as much sympathy if a drunk chick had tried to come on to Jon and his buddy and they'd decided she ahd to die for it.


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My main question is, why didn't the guy just go to a gay bar to find a date? I'd find it kind of creepy is some guy was hanging out in a park and hitting on random people. I sure as hell would call the poilice, something about that just doesn't seem right.


Precisely.


Precisely what? Precisely the justification you wanted?


Who's trying to justify it? It was a valid question. Stuff the knee-jerk reaction bullshit.


DEA is, IMO...


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My main question is, why didn't the guy just go to a gay bar to find a date? I'd find it kind of creepy is some guy was hanging out in a park and hitting on random people. I sure as hell would call the poilice, something about that just doesn't seem right.


Precisely.


Yes, it's creepy, I agree, but that's not a reason to kill him.


I didn't say it was.


Yes, I know, that's the reason my quote include DEA's response, not only yours. I understand that jon & friend call the police (as you said), than insult the gay, that just go away leaving him alone... but not that they kill him.


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Misha wrote:
I don't know how thing go over there, but here in Holland, there are certain places where these people meet if it's not in gaybars. Some parks are gay meeting places in the smaller midnight hours. If you walk through there after midnight, they assume you're on too and you're just begging to be hit on.

There are known places like that here.


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Misha wrote:
I don't know how thing go over there, but here in Holland, there are certain places where these people meet if it's not in gaybars. Some parks are gay meeting places in the smaller midnight hours. If you walk through there after midnight, they assume you're on too and you're just begging to be hit on.


There are known places like that here.


You would know, wouldn't you?


I'll get me coat...


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Misha wrote:
I don't know how thing go over there, but here in Holland, there are certain places where these people meet if it's not in gaybars. Some parks are gay meeting places in the smaller midnight hours. If you walk through there after midnight, they assume you're on too and you're just begging to be hit on.


There are known places like that here.


You would know, wouldn't you?


I'll get me coat...


I'm suprised it took that long, actually.


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In Phoenix it is Papago Park. Anyways, they do this shit because people ridicule them and most people can't handle being open about being gay and they meet in places like that to keep it seculuded and stuff. Before anyone starts making dumb ass jokes, I have gay friends and stuff and it doesn't phase me one bit. I just never understood how someones sexual orintation could make them a hated person? I mean damn, as much shit as people take for being gay, to go ahead and be gay and admit it must take some balls and be a very, very real feeling you have.

Look I can respect Jon as a great muscian and artist but can't support his actions. That said, the dude did his time and it is over. I know as liberal as this freaking site is that most should agree with that outlook. Ken he was just in the military too long and became a redneck.........


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Rio:
It's kind of obvious that you're just glad the gay person's dead...

Actually, his death or life is insignificant to me. I do not care one way or the other. Neither should you, unless he somehow affected your life. If someone wants to be gay, I don't care. It's the shoving their lifestyle in everyone's face that bothers me. But what's it to me what he does in his own house behind closed doors? Nothing at all.
It's kind of like if you died right now...I would be neither happy or sad. Don't know you, don't care about you, what happens to you does not affect me.

Precisely what? Precisely the justification you wanted?

It's not justification. I was merely agreeing that what the guy was doing was sufficiently creepy and that calling the police would have been an appropriate response.


ganeshaRules:
Yes, it's creepy, I agree, but that's not a reason to kill him.

No one said it was.


EternalIdol:
Around here that doesn't happen. The park is a place where you take your children to play, or for people to go exercise in, and the park legally closes at 10:00pm. They aren't sexual meet-up places around here, nor should they be. Usually if someone is hanging out in a park after hours around here, they are usually doing drugs or some other form of criminal activity.

Same here. If someone is in the parks after dark, it's usually drug related. Never heard of any "gay parks".



Misha:
Ok, well in Europe, most parks don't have gates that close. So after midnight, there is gay sex in some of them, it's a meeting place. Having sex in a gaybar is quite silly when everyone looks. There's the logic, maybe they didn't know it, but it's highly likely that they were asking for it. And then, some drunk gay hitting on you is not that much or a thread right, if you're with two?

We don't really have gated parks either. But park hours are usually dawn till dusk.
And why have sex in a gay bar? Just go out to your car or back to your house.


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you may never have heard of "gay parks", but surely you don't find the concept impossible to understand?

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In Phoenix it is Papago Park. Anyways, they do this shit because people ridicule them and most people can't handle being open about being gay and they meet in places like that to keep it seculuded and stuff. Before anyone starts making dumb ass jokes, I have gay friends and stuff and it doesn't phase me one bit. I just never understood how someones sexual orintation could make them a hated person? I mean damn, as much shit as people take for being gay, to go ahead and be gay and admit it must take some balls and be a very, very real feeling you have.

And these people that hate gay people always want to stick it in their girlfriend's ass! :lol: Poopy dick is poopy dick no matter which way you spin it. You know Tyrion's had the poopy dick! :rolleyes:

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Look I can respect Jon as a great muscian and artist but can't support his actions. That said, the dude did his time and it is over. I know as liberal as this freaking site is that most should agree with that outlook. Ken he was just in the military too long and became a redneck.........

What are you talking about? If he killed someone specifically because they were gay, then he's a worthless piece of trash that deserved to die, in my opinion. Of course, it's since been pointed out that he didn't pull the trigger so everything I said on the matter previously is irrelevant. Get up to speed, retard.


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It's kind of obvious that you're just glad the gay person's dead...

Actually, his death or life is insignificant to me. I do not care one way or the other. Neither should you, unless he somehow affected your life. If someone wants to be gay, I don't care. It's the shoving their lifestyle in everyone's face that bothers me. But what's it to me what he does in his own house behind closed doors? Nothing at all.
It's kind of like if you died right now...I would be neither happy or sad. Don't know you, don't care about you, what happens to you does not affect me.

:lol: That made me laugh.

You make it out as if they have a choice in. That they one day decied, 'My life is to easy!! I could really do with social alienation, verbal, mental, and physical abuse to make it a little more difficult. I know, i'll become gay!' hhhmmm, unlikely. The far more likely cause is a genetic default, ie. a disability. There are scientist out there who claim to have proven this, and i'm adamant that it will be proven and in time will become accepted that homosexuality is a 'disability', rather than a life choice. But i am aware that some scientist claim that it could well be a mental disability that can be over come. But either way its not a choice that people consciously make.

The reason i had to call you out on this is when i did politics in college i sat next to a gay lad called shaun. He would get unbeleivelby angry when some of the more right wing members of the class claimed that he had chosen to be homosexual. He was more then adamant that it is a disablitiy. He said if the choice was his he would be straight and said EVERY gay person he knew felt that they had no choice in the matter. That is why i had to say something about that comment.


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My ex-girlfriend now has a girlfriend. She has chosen to be rather gay as of late, wouldn't you say?


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My girlfriend's girlfriend...


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Rio:
It's kind of obvious that you're just glad the gay person's dead...

Actually, his death or life is insignificant to me. I do not care one way or the other. Neither should you, unless he somehow affected your life. If someone wants to be gay, I don't care. It's the shoving their lifestyle in everyone's face that bothers me. But what's it to me what he does in his own house behind closed doors? Nothing at all.
It's kind of like if you died right now...I would be neither happy or sad. Don't know you, don't care about you, what happens to you does not affect me.

Precisely what? Precisely the justification you wanted?

It's not justification. I was merely agreeing that what the guy was doing was sufficiently creepy and that calling the police would have been an appropriate response.



Except it clearly isn't insignificant to you, because it seems to me that the only times you ever show up here is to post in this particular type of topic. (ie, the threads that give you an opportunity to explain at length precisely why you are indifferent to minority groups)

So I'm sure you won't agree to this, but I think you are after justification. You were criticising us for assuming the fact he was gay to be of any relevance, but I doubt that you would be as keen to defend the guy in question if he had murdered the hypothetical shop clerk you mentioned earlier.

Assumptions, admittedly.


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My ex-girlfriend now has a girlfriend. She has chosen to be rather gay as of late, wouldn't you say?

doubt it, have you asked her?? lots of gay men are married with kids, before they admit to themselves that they're gay. Or she could be bisexual? Not to sure what the seicentist think of that haha.


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Desolate Ever After wrote:
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Ok, well in Europe, most parks don't have gates that close. So after midnight, there is gay sex in some of them, it's a meeting place. Having sex in a gaybar is quite silly when everyone looks. There's the logic, maybe they didn't know it, but it's highly likely that they were asking for it. And then, some drunk gay hitting on you is not that much or a thread right, if you're with two?

We don't really have gated parks either. But park hours are usually dawn till dusk.
And why have sex in a gay bar? Just go out to your car or back to your house.

Well, I don't know, but that's of no relevance. The factual situation contradicts your argument, these things just exist, the reason is not important.

I think you don't care for people like that because they live far away from your reality, and that you don't have any friends that are gay. I think you're asocial and intollerant of other people's ways.


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My ex-girlfriend now has a girlfriend. She has chosen to be rather gay as of late, wouldn't you say?

doubt it, have you asked her?? lots of gay men are married with kids, before they admit to themselves that they're gay. Or she could be bisexual? Not to sure what the seicentist think of that haha.


Half of the female populatioin seem to be bi-sexual, and I believe it's a beautiful, natural thing that should be encouraged and filmed at any oppertunity.


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Siberian Dreamer wrote:
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My ex-girlfriend now has a girlfriend. She has chosen to be rather gay as of late, wouldn't you say?

doubt it, have you asked her?? lots of gay men are married with kids, before they admit to themselves that they're gay. Or she could be bisexual? Not to sure what the seicentist think of that haha.


Half of the female populatioin seem to be bi-sexual, and I believe it's a beautiful, natural thing that should be encouraged and filmed at any oppertunity.


and then uploaded on sites full of sexual predators like that hellhole of profanity, metalreviews.com?

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