noodles wrote:
they rarely let their music sit still; even when they do repeat riffs they're constantly changing and re-arranging them. combined with the general trickyness of the riffs themselves it makes for busy sounding songs that go right over my head if i'm not paying attention.
*nod* I guess I just wouldn't consider that being full of ideas anymore than any other band since I just consider that as elaborating on a single idea, and in a way that's partially what I was getting at. Its that rearranging that just seems like a simple elaboration of one formula that doesn't seem like it'd be something I'd call complex. I can understand what you mean as well by the busy sound, but I guess its that busy sound that I was meaning to criticize since I find that its that rearranging and layering with the addition of speed that makes it sound busy. That's what I was getting at with the whole "smoke screen" comment, in that one can always create music that sounds like it has more going on than it actually does. There's nothing "inherently" wrong with that, it's just the perception and support of that perception that their music is very technical and complex when its not. A busy sound is not always synonymous with complexity.
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I'm not trying to sound mean-spirited or anything, but instead of saying you just don't like their style or their music as a whole, and saying what doesn't appeal to you, you seem intent on saying that you're indisputably right because they have no talent, and you try to prove that by going on long winded tangents that say pretty much nothing. I could understand the former perfectly, because I've been there, but the latter seems like a desperate attempt to prove the validity of your argument (Rody is off key? Their technical ability is a facade?). I think you said it best yourself:
I wouldn't exactly say I'm desperate as I couldn't care less about metalcore. I'm not one of those types that is on a crusade to spread my musical tastes or metal as a whole to the world. If this is offending anyone then they don't have to reply nor read it. This whole discussion began because I commented on the fact that I thought there were a heck of a lot better releases, that are actual genuine metal releases to boot, which are far superior to anything a band like Protest the Hero has to offer. Noodles made a comment that this wasn't true and seemed to find amusing that I thought HoB or Septic Flesh had produced anything better than Protest the Hero. I then proceeded to disagree and attempted to explain why. Which aspects exactly of my argument said "nothing"? Typically when people have a discussion about a song, a band, a piece of music or anything else for that matter they try to explain why. Noodles argued for the overwhelming emotional performance of Protest the Hero's singer. I disagreed and brought up points why I thought that was incorrect and now here we are.
What I really hate is that the pendulum has swung to the opposite end of the spectrum these days when it comes to criticism. When it comes to the masses discussing music or books that they like they continuously fall back on the argument that "its my opinion you just don't like it" without even trying to understand why they like a piece of music, or a book. Its like this whole Harry Potter craze and the fans' whining that any kind of literary criticism is just a "matter of opinion". The same thing goes for music.
To say that I said "nothing" on the aspects of the music itself in my post is like saying that commenting on a book's literary devices says nothing about the book itself. If any current participant of the discussion doesn't want to participate then they don't have to. No one is pointing a gun to anyone's head. But if anyone's going to comment on the music beyond "it sucks, it doesn't suck" why not look at the details? If you think my argument is entirely irrelevant then please point out where it was flawed and we'll go from there. I'd be more than happy to hear it and maybe I can find a way to clarify my argument.
As for the off key comment. What do you want me to say? The guy sounds like he's tone deaf *shrug*. That can occasionally fit into what some bands are doing, but I fail to see its function here.
