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Jon only served seven years because he was not the one to pull the trigger. :p He could have been charged with being an accesory to the crime simply for being there and not tattling on his friend, for all you know.

My feelings about gay people are completely irrelevant to this topic. As are yours, so I don't know why you keep bringing them up.

So you people are happy that he's dead because he "allegedly" killed someone who was gay? And you want to point fingers at him for being stupid??? You've got to be kidding me.

Firstly, he didn't kill anyone. He was an accessory to the crime, not the actual murderer. I'm not even a Dissection fan and I know this...why don't any of you?

Secondly, who cares why the gay dude was killed? If he was straight, would you be as upset? Do you get this upset when someone walks into a convenience store and kills the cleark, just because the clerk worked there? Do you get this upset when you hear about a drive by shooting in which the victim was killed just because they were standing on the wrong street corner at the wrong time? That the victim in this particular instance was gay is not really significant.

Thirdly, it's highly probable that none of you even know the circumstances that led up to the guy being killed. For all you know, Jon and his friends may have been surrounded by a group of gays who wanted to gang bang them and just the one guy happened to die. Perhaps the victim threatened them first, either with a weapon or with words. Even if the guy just simply propositioned Jon and his friends, they are completely justified in getting pissed off about it- it is rude and presumptuous to proposition a complete stranger (one whom you don't even know is gay and doesn't even look gay) for sex.

It is amazing how quick some people are to jump to the defense of someone just because that person is a member of a "protected class", even if they don't know the whole story of what happened.

When a gay person is the victim of a crime there's a queue of people lining up to say "well, I bet he was threatening them first" or "I bet he tried to rape him first" or whatever (as illustrated above). And a few decades back there would have been a good chance that Nodveidt would have got away with it, or at least had a blind eye turned in his direction.

Like it or not, it's factors like these that lead people to regard the fact that someone was murdered "just for being gay" as something that's shocking in its own right, rather than as an interesting sidenote. People are keen to believe that we've moved beyond that, and things like this are unpleasant reminders that many haven't.

Or it could just be POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD, that most heinous of modern crimes.

Why does having someone come onto you give you the right to kill them, gay or straight? Damn, if I were to start doing that I'd make Ted Bundy look tame.

Zad-
If a straight man came onto a woman walking in the park at night and wouldn't leave her alone, wouldn't you consider that sexual harrassment? Perhaps you'd even consider it justified if she felt frightened and took measures to protect herself.
What about a man stalking a 7 year old walking home from school? Wouldn't you cheer for the kid if they managed to disable the predator somehow and get away, even if the pedophile died because of it?
What's so different?

Ken- The Blabbermouth article says: "In December 1997, Jon Nödveidt was arrested for the murder of Josef Ben Meddaour and served seven years for accessory to murder and possession of an illegal firearm."

But I won't fault you for not knowing that. It seems the facts of the case are somewhat hard to pick out of all the rumours and accusations floating around. It doesn't help that there really is not a lot known about the murder.


And as for killing just to kill and killing for a specific reason...what are you, the thought police? It doesn't matter, because either way, the victim is dead and the world keeps turning. Why should it be any more heinous of a crime? Unless, of course, you are just shocked that someone out there might still not be accepting of that lifestyle? Tell me that's not the case...I know you're smarter than that.
And regardless, anyone's personal feelings about gays here are NOT relevant.



Zad-
If a straight man came onto a woman walking in the park at night and wouldn't leave her alone, wouldn't you consider that sexual harrassment? Perhaps you'd even consider it justified if she felt frightened and took measures to protect herself.
What about a man stalking a 7 year old walking home from school? Wouldn't you cheer for the kid if they managed to disable the predator somehow and get away, even if the pedophile died because of it?
What's so different?

Unless, of course, you are just shocked that someone out there might still not be accepting of that lifestyle? Tell me that's not the case...I know you're smarter than that.

Uhh, I don't think anyones shocked that there are people who don't accept gays, I'm just glad another one of them is dead... although my feelings lean more towards apathy, i'm not going to be like "omg a bigot is dead! lets throw a party!"

My main question is, why didn't the guy just go to a gay bar to find a date? I'd find it kind of creepy is some guy was hanging out in a park and hitting on random people. I sure as hell would call the poilice, something about that just doesn't seem right.

Precisely.

Ken- The Blabbermouth article says: "In December 1997, Jon Nödveidt was arrested for the murder of Josef Ben Meddaour and served seven years for accessory to murder and possession of an illegal firearm."

And as for killing just to kill and killing for a specific reason...what are you, the thought police?

Precisely.

I don't know how thing go over there, but here in Holland, there are certain places where these people meet if it's not in gaybars. Some parks are gay meeting places in the smaller midnight hours. If you walk through there after midnight, they assume you're on too and you're just begging to be hit on.

Yes, it's creepy, I agree, but that's not a reason to kill him.

Precisely what? Precisely the justification you wanted?