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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:08 am 
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Have to give this a listen first I don't care about all the I don't like metal crap everyone goes on with when he is mentioned if he didn't he wouldn't sing it. It his voice I want to hear anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:07 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
It all depends on how you handle things, of course. Maybe Kiske should avoid the internet? Rich Ward of Stuck Mojo just posted this on his website:

The Duke wrote:
Every time that "?" has a "Rich sucks outburst", a day later I start receiving dozens of emails and messages from him to apologize. As always, I say "don't worry, it's not that big of a deal" and then a couple of weeks later, he does the same thing. He loves the attention and the existence of this thread will make the pimples on his face glow bright red with glee.

When I was growing up (said with a Grandpa like tone), my favorite bands were basically "unreachable". I bought the records, listened to the music, went to the concerts, that's it. I was a fan or I wasn't. I never took the time to hand write hate mail to the Loverboy fan club. The thought of actually making the effort to do something like that seems ridiculous.

The internet has changed the dynamic between musicians and those who enjoy their music. Obviously, it would be hypocritical of me to bitch about the internet, as I use it as a way to promote my music. But, it is a double edge sword. In the old days, guys like ? were just booted from backstage (if they got that far) by security for annoying the band, but now, they are able to annoy the band and other fans from the comfort of their own home.

Maybe in his last act of defiance, ? and other disgruntled Rich Ward fans can organize a disc breaking rally to send a clear message of outrage about my current musical direction. Maybe even burn a Rich Ward effigy outside the Tower records in Atlanta on the release date of the new Mojo record.

Let me make this clear to all of you who are weary of the attitudes that are the topic of this thread. No one in the history of my musical career has EVER stepped to me in person and disrespected me or my music, much less complained about the direction of any of my bands/projects. That includes ?, as I have spoken to him many times after shows. It's always nothing but smiles and love! I guess it's just easier to be bold when the fear of needing corrective dental surgery has been removed from the equation.

Do I think that every Mojo fan likes Fozzy or Sick Speed or The Duke? Hell no! Even Mojo fans like certain records more than others and I am no different. Number Of The Beast and Piece Of Mind are my favorite Maiden records. I don't care for hardly anything after Seventh Son, but they still remain one of my favorites bands of all time. If Kerry King put out a techno record, Slayer fans would not just blindly follow him and start going to dance clubs to hear his new sh*t. So, be clear that I am not blind to the fact that not all of my different projects will not be received the same.

I guess that what I really want to make clear, is that I can't thank the old school Mojo fans enough for supporting me during those years. Please hear me, THANK YOU! You made those years an amazing experience for me and the guys. Those early records are who we were and who I was at that time. Ten years later, I'm not that same guy and I will never do records exactly like that again. Just like Maiden will never put out a record just like Powerslave again. In a way that sucks for me, because I love that record. Maybe it sucks for you in the same way, because you were a fan of my music 10 years ago and now you want to choke me. But, (and this is a big but) I can live with that, knowing that at one time I wrote some music that "meant" something to some of you. That is an honor that I will always be thankful for. As I move "forward" in my career as a musician, my music may continue to speak to you or it may speak to someone else or maybe to no one at all. But I will just keep making the music that I am proud of and that I BELIEVE IN. I will make records that I want to listen to. In a day and age where almost everyone in the music business is trying to jump on the "next big thing" or on "what's hot", I'll just be over here doin' my thing.

Kiske would be well-served to take this approach. Either way, it's all speculation when it comes to Kiske so that's why I suggest just letting him be. I don't like his solo stuff, I don't think it's very good, but he can still wail! :dio:


It's quite obvious that Kiske can't take criticsm in a positive, constructive way. Thumbs up to BG. Anyway, I really liked ANATO.


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 Post subject: Kiske is an asshole
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:18 pm 
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He has lost all of my respect and I just consider him an asshole that happens to have a great voice just as Axl Rose. Not even Axl is such an asshole that he bashes his fans and then expect them to buy his records.

I think Kiske ought to give an apology to all his fans from helloween area. He has badmouthed helloween and no he will be doing accoustic versions of those songs!? What a prick.


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I think he is a confused man. A bit screw loose somewhere up in his head.


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 Post subject: Re: Kiske is an asshole
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:57 pm 
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He has lost all of my respect and I just consider him an asshole that happens to have a great voice just as Axl Rose. Not even Axl is such an asshole that he bashes his fans and then expect them to buy his records.

I think Kiske ought to give an apology to all his fans from helloween area. He has badmouthed helloween and no he will be doing accoustic versions of those songs!? What a prick.

The guys in Masterplan have bashed Helloween and they've played Helloween songs live.

Did you read anything that we wrote before this? Why does Kiske owe his fans an apology? Those "fans" have been shitting on him since his first solo album! Shit, since Chameleon and Pink Bubbles Go Ape!!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:23 pm 
The latest Kiske babble:
Blabbermouth.net wrote:
Ex-HELLOWEEN Singer: 'The Metal World Is Full Of People Who Bark And Complain' - Oct. 23, 2006
Former HELLOWEEN singer Michael Kiske has responded to the negative feedback by some metal fans to his announcement that he will rearrange and re-record all of the songs that he wrote with his former band for an upcoming CD, to be released next year through Frontiers Records.

When asked by a fan named Deborah Schwichtenberg what he thinks of people who are criticizing his decision to re-record the HELLOWEEN classics, claiming that Kiske "used to eat from HELLOWEEN's songs" before slamming them in the press and now once again wanting to "eat" from HELLOWEEN by selling new recordings of their material, Kiske responded, "I don't give a hack about this! Unfortunately, the metal world is full of people who bark and complain and bark and complain forever anyway, no matter what I do. They will always search for reasons to cry.

"I was part of that band, so I didn't just 'eat' from them. That's a very weird way of thinking. I was BUILDING the band together with the original members, and no one can forbid me to re-record acoustic versions of MY OWN music. I don't think I have to ask 'metal popes' for their permission to do that at all. Those are MY songs — if I feel like doing this, I do it anyway!

"The good first HELLOWEEN years (with Kai Hansen) were also absolutely great; I don't reject them at all! And I think it was a good idea from Serafino (Frontiers Records) to give my songs of the past a new acoustic sound that fits me today. Because on one hand this shows that I don't reject my past; and on the other hand, it can also give some (more open and intelligent) people another perspective at those songs. And if anyone doesn't like that idea. no one forces him or her to listen to it! These new recordings will NOT AT ALL sound like HELLOWEEN or metal, so it is VERY stupid to put it the way some do. I have already started to go through some arrangements, and it's big fun; I'm really excited about it. Those early songs of mine were not so bad at all, and they work great as acoustics.

"Unfortunately, Deborah, metal these days means a lot of negativity, dogmatism and art-enemy mentalities. They really believe THEY have to tell musicians what they are 'allowed' to do or not (as you can see again). And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it. They just can't help it! And a lot of them don't even understand what I am talking about, when I'm explaining my ways of thinking. They also intentionally mix things up which are separate issues.

"I don't really say anything bad about Helloween. I had my problems with one particular person in there, and sometimes I have to defend myself a bit because of things this particular person (successfully) likes to spread about me, but I enjoyed the first years a lot! The reason for this hatred is that I name what is wrong and sick about today's heavy metal scene; and THAT'S really what many are so pissed about! The metal spirit tries to dictate laws for thinking and music, and if you don't follow those laws, you 'betray' them. But that spirit IS a pure betrayal of freedom in itself. So to be true to yourself, you've got to 'betray' that dogmatism sooner or later.

"This is actually a big part of WHY I can't stand this scene anymore. They can't handle someone like me anyway. I disagree with the typical metal ideologies in so many ways, and I'm not afraid to speak my mind about it; and that's enough for many to go against someone like me. They simply don't LIKE how I think, Deborah, so they will always find reasons to talk dirty against me. Who cares! But I'm always newly surprised again about the reactions of certain smart-asses there; about what they cherish and what they condemn. I can't see at all where my 'crime' is supposed to be here? I thought (think) this acoustic album of my past is a nice idea, which should cause some excitement and maybe even some peace, but many minds obviously function in different ways. But they won't have any effect on what I am doing anyway; that's for sure; I won't allow that. And my friends are going to enjoy this.

"I am slowly building my own fan base now, and I don't really need to know about all the nonsense certain jerks like to spread about me. They can fuck off! And you shouldn't let this get to you either, Deborah. Believe me: it ain't worth it! I'm trying to lead a pretty clean life. I'm not a perfect man, but I'm always straightforward and honest; so who are those a-holes to teach me morals?! ... They certainly don't stand for MY morals!"

Michael Kiske's latest solo album, simply entitled "Kiske", was released in May via Frontiers Records.

(Thanks: MichaelKiske.net)


He makes some points, but he still seems like an arrogant ass to me.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:27 pm 
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Therein lies the duality of celebrity. There will always be fans who dislike what you say or critique what you do, but artists are expected to remain professional, expecially since he has chosen to crap on all fans as a whole at times when there are still fans like yourself defending him. This in turn means he's crapping on you too even though you haven't done anything to him. The reprocussions of angering all the fans with an attitude like his is that they can stop buying everything you release and end your career. If you expect to have a career, you have to at least be cordial to the fanbase, even if some of them have bashed you on the internet. I'm willing to bet that some people would still buy his solo stuff despite not liking it just because he's Michael kiske if he had shown himself to be a decent person through all of this, but by being a prick, he eliminates even that possibility for himself.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:32 pm 
And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it.

Hahaha. Kiske just described half the people on this board.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:49 pm 
Eyesore wrote:
And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it.

Hahaha. Kiske just described half the people on this board.


He just described half the people on the INTERNET! ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:04 pm 
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Kiske needs to grow up and realize he is just like every other celebrity. Half of the people on the internet are there to bash you. That's just how it is. It's not just him, and it won't change. Complaining about it won't help. Every celebrity has to deal with it, and compared to the bigger celebrities out there, the volume of negativity he has to deal with is really quite small.


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Eyesore wrote:
And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it.

Hahaha. Kiske just described half the people on this board.

He just described himself when talking about the Metal scene.


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Radagast wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it.

Hahaha. Kiske just described half the people on this board.

He just described himself when talking about the Metal scene.


:lol:

You're right!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:10 pm 
Radagast wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it.

Hahaha. Kiske just described half the people on this board.

He just described himself when talking about the Metal scene.


Haha, zing!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:20 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
And they can also only look at everything from a negative and destructive angle; they will always put everything in a way so they can slander around about it.

Hahaha. Kiske just described half the people on this board.

He just described half the people on the INTERNET! ;)

Indeed!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:33 pm 
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Anyway, this stimulating and intriguing debate made me want to listen to Place Vendome.

So I did. Place Vendome is the kewls. :dio:


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Damn, I get so torn sometimes. I usually hate people who only go on the internet to bash bands/movies/whatever. When it comes to Kiske though, I get drawn into it too. I guess he just makes me that mad. I don't want to be though, and I still think he should get over it like every other celebrity does. At least he can go shopping without tabloid photographers following him. He needs to realize he has it pretty good despite what internet haters do. Few musicians get to make a real living in music, and he does deserve with his voice to do what he wants.


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