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Author:  MetalMaster [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:24 am ]
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On every commercial cd it is stated that reselling is illegal. When you buy a cd second hand neither the band nor the record label will get any money. How come some people condemn piracy with harshest words and then recommend you to buy the cd secondhand if you can not afford a new cd that can cost upp to 30€?
Author:  Ness [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:43 am ]
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No, and fuck anybody who says it is.
Author:  Goat [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:03 am ]
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MetalMaster wrote:
On every commercial cd it is stated that reselling is illegal.


It does? The issue doesn't really matter to me, as I condemn piracy because of the mindset rather than because It Be Stealing.

Anyways, if you buy a 2nd hand CD, someone's already bought it, so the label and artist already have their money. That's an answer to your q.
Author:  Kathaarian [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:49 am ]
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I think it's just a different color of the same shit.
Author:  noodles [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:11 am ]
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I don't think its a crime but I also don't think it supports the artist.
Author:  Metastable To Chaos [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:56 am ]
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Zad wrote:
MetalMaster wrote:
On every commercial cd it is stated that reselling is illegal.


It does? The issue doesn't really matter to me, as I condemn piracy because of the mindset rather than because It Be Stealing.

Anyways, if you buy a 2nd hand CD, someone's already bought it, so the label and artist already have their money. That's an answer to your q.
Exactly.
Author:  traptunderice [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:52 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
Anyways, if you buy a 2nd hand CD, someone's already bought it, so the label and artist already have their money. That's an answer to your q.
But if you didn't buy it secondhand then you would've bought it new, most likely, so the artist would've got an additional cut so buy buying used you're stealing or withholding their cut.

Then broadening that, if someone bought an album and then shared it across the web, the artist already got their cut so then how would downloading be wrong according to what you said? You could always say 'but millions of people are stealing it and its different' but it isn't different based on principle.
Author:  Antonakis [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:24 pm ]
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traptunderice wrote:
But if you didn't buy it secondhand then you would've bought it new, most likely, so the artist would've got an additional cut so buy buying used you're stealing or withholding their cut.


So you think that buying a secondhand car is also stealing from the car companies since if you didn't buy it secondhand you would need to buy it from the company and help them create better and newer cars. And maybe the same goes for secondhand mobile phones ? What about secondhand furniture ? Shouldn't we support and reward their creators those as well ?
Author:  Goat [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:07 am ]
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Antonakis wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
But if you didn't buy it secondhand then you would've bought it new, most likely, so the artist would've got an additional cut so buy buying used you're stealing or withholding their cut.


So you think that buying a secondhand car is also stealing from the car companies since if you didn't buy it secondhand you would need to buy it from the company and help them create better and newer cars. And maybe the same goes for secondhand mobile phones ? What about secondhand furniture ? Shouldn't we support and reward their creators those as well ?


Exactly, it depends on how you look at it. Just like you can't sell one car to lots of different people, you can't pass on an album like that. :P
Author:  traptunderice [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:16 am ]
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Cars and furniture aren't labeled with a tag that says 'reselling me is illegal' which is unlike cds.

It just seemed like you said that once the label got its money then you could do whatever with the cd.
Author:  grandbazaar [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:19 am ]
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traptunderice wrote:
Cars and furniture aren't labeled with a tag that says 'reselling me is illegal' which is unlike cds.

It just seemed like you said that once the label got its money then you could do whatever with the cd.


My cd's aren't labeled "Reselling is illegal",
they're only labeled "Unauthorized duplication is a violation".

Maybe it's different depending on each country's laws.
On my side reselling a CD is legit as the artist has already touched his rights with the initial purchase and you can't sell it to more than one person anyways. It doesn't change the number of CDs in circulation (nobody has a copy which the artist didn't get his due). As for downloading, It does increases the number of copies in circulation(digitally) and the artist doesn't get money from it whatsoever.
Author:  Seinfeld26 [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:57 pm ]
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One thing making second-hand CD's illegal does is prevent you from buying out-of-print albums. Suppose an album is out-of-print. Then, the only way you can possibly get it outside of illegally downloading it is buying it second hand.
Author:  Eternal Idol [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:14 pm ]
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The RIAA is looking into criminalizing second hand CD sales. I truly feel no pity for such a backwards-thinking organization. They really don't give a crap about the artists they are supposedly representing, they are just crying crocodile tears over thier own bottom lines.
Author:  rio [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:34 pm ]
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Eternal Idol wrote:
The RIAA is looking into criminalizing second hand CD sales. I truly feel no pity for such a backwards-thinking organization. They really don't give a crap about the artists they are supposedly representing, they are just crying crocodile tears over thier own bottom lines.


Wise words.

Seriously who the fuck could justify criminalising that?
Author:  Goat [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:46 pm ]
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It'd bugger me, for sure.
Author:  DevilsAlwaysCry [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:39 am ]
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Eternal Idol wrote:
The RIAA is looking into criminalizing second hand CD sales. I truly feel no pity for such a backwards-thinking organization. They really don't give a crap about the artists they are supposedly representing, they are just crying crocodile tears over thier own bottom lines.

Thats pretty interesting. I dont know how they are going to pull that off.
Author:  Eternal Idol [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:51 pm ]
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DevilsAlwaysCry wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
The RIAA is looking into criminalizing second hand CD sales. I truly feel no pity for such a backwards-thinking organization. They really don't give a crap about the artists they are supposedly representing, they are just crying crocodile tears over thier own bottom lines.

Thats pretty interesting. I dont know how they are going to pull that off.


Simple, get enough Washington lobbyists on your side and you can do practically anything. The arguement is that the labels are losing money on the CD itself since when it's resold only the shop reselling it sees any money. It's complete nonsense, and is right in line with suing single mothers to make a point. Embracing the internet age and labels putting stuff up for download on their own websites would go a long way towards helping CD sales, instead of treating digital music as some sort of Leper. The bottom line is that the CD itself is merely just a delivery form for the music, and iTunes has shown that people are willing to pay a reasonable price for a digital delivery system.
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:54 pm ]
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TEH JOOZ CONTROL WASHINGTON LOBBY
Author:  unknownkadath666 [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:17 pm ]
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Someone posted a story about this in the forums a long time ago. In some places they have pushed out second hand sales by making a license fee. The stores had to pay so much to the RIAA that they couldn't afford it.
Author:  Mike [ Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:27 am ]
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Once you purchase a CD it is YOURS!! It ceases to be the property of the RIAA, record label, artist, etc. The examples of furniture, cars, (I'll even go out on a big limb) HOUSES..etc are the same. The builder of my home doesn't get a cut from the sale of my house when I sell it 10 years from now. Nor does the auto manufacturer when I sell my USED CAR. It' a ridiculous notion for the record industry to try and get a cut from me selling my property that I legally bought from them. Does it mean that I may "share" it on the internet for mass consumption? NO?
However, legally I have the right to sell MY property on a site like Ebay or go into a USED CD shop and sell my property to them.

And yes....CD's state "Unauthorized Copying is punishable under federal law."

Promo CD's state : The resale of this CD is prohibited as it is still the property of the record label. Why? Because you never bought the promo CD. It's considered out on "loan".
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