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Author:  stevelovesmoonspell [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:38 am ]
Post subject:  The most 'metal' of the subgenres
Taking all of the subgenres of the music into account and judging them by this sole merit, what subgenre from brutal death to revivalist heavy metal bands have the most grit, attitude, and inspires the all out headbanging frenzy and adrenaline rush that compared to the other subgenres? As subjective as this is consider things such as tempo, lyrical content, and riffs that might otherwise negate such a comparison. What sensation do you get when you listen to bands within the subgenre, and if its a close tie between two explain in detail why x subgenre won out over the other choice.
Author:  AlexandeR [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:03 pm ]
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Thrash, for me, captures perfectly the essence of Metal.
Author:  DevotedWalnut [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:49 pm ]
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Thrash or anything from the 70s and 80s that is heavy and isnt cock rock.
Author:  dead1 [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:48 pm ]
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Thrash Metal for sure. It maintains the original NWOBHM spirit with new found aggression and extremity (for the day).

It also has a number of things a lot of later extreme metal lost:

1. It sounds fun
2. It maintains a larger appeal
3. Singalong bits (e.g. Peace Sells... by Megadeth or Indians or Anthrax).
4. It never took it self so seriously.
5. A real rawness

I think it's why we still talk about the Big 4 Thrash Bands and not the big 6-7 DM bands or big however many BM bands.
Author:  traptunderice [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:01 pm ]
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dead1 wrote:
I think it's why we still talk about the Big 4 Thrash Bands and not the big 6-7 DM bands or big however many BM bands.
Because those genres never gained mainstream success?
Author:  dead1 [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:12 pm ]
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traptunderice wrote:
dead1 wrote:
I think it's why we still talk about the Big 4 Thrash Bands and not the big 6-7 DM bands or big however many BM bands.
Because those genres never gained mainstream success?


As stated, I don't think they ever could have.

Thrash had enough mainstream appeal to make it popular without it completely alienating the underground.

Black/Death/Grindcore etc lacks that appeal. As soon as it starts changing to a more mainstream sound it looses it's link to the underground.
Author:  Adveser [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:27 am ]
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Personally, I think it's Power Metal like "Somewhere out in Space" sounds.

It combines basically all the greatness all the subgenres are capable of when done well.
Author:  huskerc7 [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:35 am ]
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Probably thrash metal.

There are tons of bands that play death/black metal or aren't categorized into the thrash metal genre to that have elements of thrash metal, bands like Absu, Dimmu Borgir, and plenty of others.

So probably thrash. When I think metal I think aggression and fast music and that's what thrash is.
Author:  noodles [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:53 am ]
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Probably tradtional doom metal because metal is heavy and heavyness is slow+riffs, but trad doom isn't as idiosyncratic as death/doom or sludge.

Also it's my favourite.

Thrash captures the aggressive and fun side of metal but I dunno. Angry isn't the same as grumpy and being grumpy is a pretty big part of metal imo
Author:  Thrashtildeth [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:07 am ]
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noodles wrote:
Probably tradtional doom metal because metal is heavy and heavyness is slow+riffs, but trad doom isn't as idiosyncratic as death/doom or sludge.

Also it's my favourite.

Thrash captures the aggressive and fun side of metal but I dunno. Angry isn't the same as grumpy and being grumpy is a pretty big part of metal imo


Metal is all about anger, righteous or otherwise. Grumpy is for emo bands.
Author:  Adveser [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:29 am ]
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I would also like to further my comments by stating that metal has always been about rebellion, defiance, truth seeking and danger. IMO the best representative of this attitude has always been the albums that explore those kind of concepts that are not controversial, blasphemous, decadent or joyous. No, I think the albums that are truly dangerous are the ones that lift the spirits of the downtrodden, tell the exceptionally thinking individual how magical it is to be a part of what few others understand. I think you can see my meaning if you've dug a little deeper to see what so many of the greats keep repeating. I have a book on secret societies and they all seem to have one thing in common and it was that they were trying to pass on some knowledge that was hard earned from the start. The really dangerous are out there trying to do the same thing. Metal in general achieves this and for that reason I thin it is the last actual music is form and function left on Earth and may be one of the only Pure things left of that sort of thing. I take very great comfort in knowing that I learn a little more how to touch the essence of humanity despite how much opposition to this idea society drifts from it. Every time I list to a great metal album written from an illuminated source, I'm doing exactly what life is intended for, which IMO is to learn and connect with and from those who have discovered something you haven't to that end of the means. This will make sense to some and not so much others. Metal typically tells the same story with different characters and the beauty of it all is how cohesive and all-inclusive it is. Believe it or not a band like Labyrinth and a band like Akercocke are so similar in their aims and way of thinking but they ar expressing the way they feel in two different ways. It can be for anyone when they find the way all I have been writing about is expressed. That's when you discover how magical metal can be, when you find the ones making it exactly the way it needs to be said to make you realize these similarities.
Author:  Thrashtildeth [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:41 am ]
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You didn't answer the question.
Author:  Adveser [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:04 pm ]
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Thrashtilldeth wrote:
You didn't answer the question.


I said power metal does it for me in the original post. Black metal's expressed sentiments would have been the most metal in my opinion when I was 16.

The real answer is whatever is the closest to what Dio was doing.
Author:  North From Here [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:43 pm ]
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Thrashtilldeth wrote:
noodles wrote:
Probably tradtional doom metal because metal is heavy and heavyness is slow+riffs, but trad doom isn't as idiosyncratic as death/doom or sludge.

Also it's my favourite.

Thrash captures the aggressive and fun side of metal but I dunno. Angry isn't the same as grumpy and being grumpy is a pretty big part of metal imo


Metal is all about anger, righteous or otherwise. Grumpy is for emo bands.


Whiny is for emo bands, being grumpy is an essential part of getting old. Anyhow, I think this topic is odd, bordering on irrelevant, and serves as a nice topic for those that enjoy bashing black/death/doom metal.
Author:  traptunderice [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:34 pm ]
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noodles wrote:
Thrash captures the aggressive and fun side of metal but I dunno. Angry isn't the same as grumpy and being grumpy is a pretty big part of metal imo
Topic is grumpy thrash metal. Go!
Author:  noodles [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:16 pm ]
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Thrashtilldeth wrote:
noodles wrote:
Probably tradtional doom metal because metal is heavy and heavyness is slow+riffs, but trad doom isn't as idiosyncratic as death/doom or sludge.

Also it's my favourite.

Thrash captures the aggressive and fun side of metal but I dunno. Angry isn't the same as grumpy and being grumpy is a pretty big part of metal imo


Metal is all about anger, righteous or otherwise. Grumpy is for emo bands.


no!

grumpy = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCXbqoQt7k
emo = whiny = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOcYi_y0a8
Author:  Thrashtildeth [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:33 pm ]
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Adveser wrote:
The real answer is whatever is the closest to what Dio was doing.


Adveser, old boy, I'd totally misjudged you. You're alright.
Author:  Adveser [ Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:53 am ]
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Thrashtilldeth wrote:
Adveser wrote:
The real answer is whatever is the closest to what Dio was doing.


Adveser, old boy, I'd totally misjudged you. You're alright.


Dio created metal as far s I'm concerned. I think the maiden/priest being the real start of 100% metal is correct. Except that dio was really doing all that same sort of thing since he started Rainbow with Blackmore. Yeah, I'll get some shit for not crediting Sabbath, but then you have to include BOC and a thousand other bands that were not really bonafide 100% metal with absolutely no hard rock pretensions or asperations for pop/rock success.

Dio created metal's style of singing end-of-story for me, even using tamed down versions of the harsher styles and overblown operatic styles at the opposite end, though he wouldn't take it in the Bel Canto directions some others would like Tate...
Author:  AlexandeR [ Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:21 pm ]
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Adveser wrote:
Thrashtilldeth wrote:
Adveser wrote:
The real answer is whatever is the closest to what Dio was doing.


Adveser, old boy, I'd totally misjudged you. You're alright.


Dio created metal as far s I'm concerned. I think the maiden/priest being the real start of 100% metal is correct. Except that dio was really doing all that same sort of thing since he started Rainbow with Blackmore. Yeah, I'll get some shit for not crediting Sabbath, but then you have to include BOC and a thousand other bands that were not really bonafide 100% metal with absolutely no hard rock pretensions or asperations for pop/rock success.

Dio created metal's style of singing end-of-story for me, even using tamed down versions of the harsher styles and overblown operatic styles at the opposite end, though he wouldn't take it in the Bel Canto directions some others would like Tate...


I think Halford is the one who created the metal's style of singing.

VICTIIIIIIIM OOOOF CHAAAAAAAAAANGEEEEEES.

:dio:
Author:  MetalStorm [ Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:26 pm ]
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AlexandeR wrote:
Adveser wrote:
Thrashtilldeth wrote:
Adveser wrote:
The real answer is whatever is the closest to what Dio was doing.


Adveser, old boy, I'd totally misjudged you. You're alright.


Dio created metal as far s I'm concerned. I think the maiden/priest being the real start of 100% metal is correct. Except that dio was really doing all that same sort of thing since he started Rainbow with Blackmore. Yeah, I'll get some shit for not crediting Sabbath, but then you have to include BOC and a thousand other bands that were not really bonafide 100% metal with absolutely no hard rock pretensions or asperations for pop/rock success.

Dio created metal's style of singing end-of-story for me, even using tamed down versions of the harsher styles and overblown operatic styles at the opposite end, though he wouldn't take it in the Bel Canto directions some others would like Tate...


I think Halford is the one who created the metal's style of singing.

VICTIIIIIIIM OOOOF CHAAAAAAAAAANGEEEEEES.

:dio:


Maybe or some say Robert Plant started it with his screaming style than followed by Ozzy and Dio.

If anything Halford perfected it to the ultimate style.
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