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Kurt Cobain is one of the greatest songwriters to ever live! Are you saying Dime is a legend because he died? We you born in 2004 or something?
Kirt Cobain a good song writer?? holy shit the sky is fucking red!!! I disagree, lets not go off topic about that dirty smack head. And yes, i'm saying dime is a legend because hes dead.
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Throwing out the words "hammer-ons" and "pull-offs" is stupid, that's extremely basic and every guitarist does it. No one sounded like Dimebag, not Rhoads, not Halen, no one. He was completely unique, he could shred like no other and he was a killer fucking songwriter. The dude has been a legend since the mid-90s!! To come out now and shit on his technique is retarded. The man is a fucking legend. You can't do what he did in those clips and 99% of other guitarists out there can't do it either. The man was flawless!

lolz, for someone who knows his mucis so well i have a feeling your conveniently forgetting EVH and Rhoads. You seriouly can't see the similaritlys in Dimes solos and Rhoads'???? honestly???

Oh and when i was being stupid Throwing out the words "hammer-ons" and "pull-offs" you were right, it is extremly basic and every guitarist does it. So does that make every guitarist a legend??? no, does it fuck. And you said he could shred like not other, watch the vids again, he didn't shred that much of it, because after all shredding is hitting ALL OF THE NOTES!!!! Not doing....wait for it....."hammer-ons" and "pull-offs".

And i'll say it again, hes a great guitarist but not a legend by a long shot.


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Awesome technique and a good sense of melody, but really uninspired songwriting. Cacophony still rocks, though.


Although Pantera pretty much sucked after CFH, Diamond Darrell (his old stage name, way cooler than Dimebag IHMO) was still an awesome guitar player. Great lead playing and awesome riffs. Sure, i hear major influences of Rhoads and Van Halen in his playing, but i'd still say he had an original playing style. To call Diamond Darrell an EVH/RR ripoff is like calling Yngwie a Ritchie Blackmore ripoff, or Jason Becker an Yngwie ripoff.

Kurt Cocaine was a useless junkie and Ken looks more like a tard than Diamond Darrell. :P


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shredding is hitting ALL OF THE NOTES!!!! Not doing....wait for it....."hammer-ons" and "pull-offs".


Shredding = fast, technically demanding guitar playing. Doesn't matter if you pick all the notes or play them legato. Allan Holdsworth hits the strings with his pick about once a week, but his shit is harder to play than most metal soloists' stuff.


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stuartn15ted wrote:
shredding is hitting ALL OF THE NOTES!!!! Not doing....wait for it....."hammer-ons" and "pull-offs".


Shredding = fast, technically demanding guitar playing. Doesn't matter if you pick all the notes or play them legato. Allan Holdsworth hits the strings with his pick about once a week, but his shit is harder to play than most metal soloists' stuff.

But that guys not a shredder, he play legato. Shredding is something thats done almost exclusivly by metal guitarist. This guys is a real shredder, hes hitting all the notes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4CL046a ... lo%20Batio

Same it sounds shit.


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Awesome technique and a good sense of melody, but really uninspired songwriting. Cacophony still rocks, though.


Ah, I love his album Perpetual Burn, especially Altitudes (song).


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Husker wrote:
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Awesome technique and a good sense of melody, but really uninspired songwriting. Cacophony still rocks, though.


Ah, I love his album Perpetual Burn, especially Altitudes (song).


A damn good album indeed. Too bad Shrapnel Records no longer exists, I'd love to be able to get hard copies of those albums again.


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Awesome technique and a good sense of melody, but really uninspired songwriting. Cacophony still rocks, though.


Ah, I love his album Perpetual Burn, especially Altitudes (song).


I had that album for some years. Very impressive guitar playing indeed (Jason was, what 17-18 years old when he recorded that album!) but the songs just bore me.


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shredding is hitting ALL OF THE NOTES!!!! Not doing....wait for it....."hammer-ons" and "pull-offs".


Shredding = fast, technically demanding guitar playing. Doesn't matter if you pick all the notes or play them legato. Allan Holdsworth hits the strings with his pick about once a week, but his shit is harder to play than most metal soloists' stuff.


But that guys not a shredder, he play legato. Shredding is something thats done almost exclusivly by metal guitarist. This guys is a real shredder, hes hitting all the notes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4CL046a ... lo%20Batio


Shredding doesn't necessarily have to mean picking all the notes. There is no textbook definition for shredding, it's just a slang word for impressive (fast) guitar playing.

I know about Michael Angelo Batio, i've been to a guitar clinic of his. A very cool guy with a great sense of humour, by the way. Killer legato technique too. :P


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Shredding doesn't necessarily have to mean picking all the notes. There is no textbook definition for shredding, it's just a slang word for impressive (fast) guitar playing.

I know about Michael Angelo Batio, i've been to a guitar clinic of his. A very cool guy with a great sense of humour, by the way. Killer legato technique too. :P

lol, he needs a good sence of humour with that hair cut.

Your right about there not being a definition as such for shredding but its more often then not charaterised by the likes of Michael Angelo Batio, people who rarely use legato (and i'm sure his legato technique is as good as his shredding) ,pick all the notes, use sweeping and economy picking....ect.


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Fuck this, the solo to Domination makes me happy-end of.

I wish I could solo like that, the best I can do is retarded Kerry King. :cry:

Good move.

I just don't like this whole legendary, "we must pay our respect" business. People don't respect what I consider legendary(Most haven't heard of it) so why should I bow down whenever the Beatles or Rolling Stones or Dimebag Darrell or whomever is mentioned. I think it is sad that Dimebag died prematurely and I thought he was a good guitarist. That is enough "respect" from me.


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Fuck this, the solo to Domination makes me happy-end of.

I wish I could solo like that, the best I can do is retarded Kerry King. :cry:

Good move.

I just don't like this whole legendary, "we must pay our respect" business. People don't respect what I consider legendary(Most haven't heard of it) so why should I bow down whenever the Beatles or Rolling Stones or Dimebag Darrell or whomever is mentioned. I think it is sad that Dimebag died prematurely and I thought he was a good guitarist. That is enough "respect" from me.


What's that, then?


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shredding: Michael Angelo Batio = GOD
guitar playing: Dime does not deserve legend status, period. His pantera riffing was lame, his solos were greatly < to Randy, Zakk's and Ed's playing. Dimebag is just a really overrated guitarist who played well. and Kurt Cobain sucks. he was a fucking pop song writer, not some deep poet with wierd thoughts.

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although Michael Angelo has a cooler guitar, Dime has less lame hair.

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Zad wrote:
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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Fuck this, the solo to Domination makes me happy-end of.

I wish I could solo like that, the best I can do is retarded Kerry King. :cry:

Good move.

I just don't like this whole legendary, "we must pay our respect" business. People don't respect what I consider legendary(Most haven't heard of it) so why should I bow down whenever the Beatles or Rolling Stones or Dimebag Darrell or whomever is mentioned. I think it is sad that Dimebag died prematurely and I thought he was a good guitarist. That is enough "respect" from me.


What's that, then?
You can already guess that one. I have "emperor" "black" and "doom" in my name. I wasn't complaining or wishing what I consider legendary was considered the same by the masses. Just pointing out why I find "legendary" an empty phrase.


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shredding: Michael Angelo Batio = GOD
guitar playing: Dime does not deserve legend status, period. His pantera riffing was lame, his solos were greatly < to Randy, Zakk's and Ed's playing. Dimebag is just a really overrated guitarist who played well. and Kurt Cobain sucks. he was a fucking pop song writer, not some deep poet with wierd thoughts.


Zakk Wylde himself disagrees with you on that one.


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shredding: Michael Angelo Batio = GOD
guitar playing: Dime does not deserve legend status, period. His pantera riffing was lame, his solos were greatly < to Randy, Zakk's and Ed's playing. Dimebag is just a really overrated guitarist who played well. and Kurt Cobain sucks. he was a fucking pop song writer, not some deep poet with wierd thoughts.


Zakk Wylde himself disagrees with you on that one.


I know, but Zakk is way to modest, and Dime cannot shred acoustic and country like Zakk can.

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shredding: Michael Angelo Batio = GOD
guitar playing: Dime does not deserve legend status, period. His pantera riffing was lame, his solos were greatly < to Randy, Zakk's and Ed's playing. Dimebag is just a really overrated guitarist who played well. and Kurt Cobain sucks. he was a fucking pop song writer, not some deep poet with wierd thoughts.


Zakk Wylde himself disagrees with you on that one.


I know, but Zakk is way to modest, and Dime cannot shred acoustic and country like Zakk can.


Rebel Meets Rebel. He also played live for David Allen Coe for about two years.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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shredding: Michael Angelo Batio = GOD
guitar playing: Dime does not deserve legend status, period. His pantera riffing was lame, his solos were greatly < to Randy, Zakk's and Ed's playing. Dimebag is just a really overrated guitarist who played well. and Kurt Cobain sucks. he was a fucking pop song writer, not some deep poet with wierd thoughts.


Zakk Wylde himself disagrees with you on that one.


I know, but Zakk is way to modest, and Dime cannot shred acoustic and country like Zakk can.


Rebel Meets Rebel. He also played live for David Allen Coe for about two years.


i didn^t say dime couldn't shred country and acoustic, but he's nbot as good as zakk

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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shredding: Michael Angelo Batio = GOD
guitar playing: Dime does not deserve legend status, period. His pantera riffing was lame, his solos were greatly < to Randy, Zakk's and Ed's playing. Dimebag is just a really overrated guitarist who played well. and Kurt Cobain sucks. he was a fucking pop song writer, not some deep poet with wierd thoughts.


Zakk Wylde himself disagrees with you on that one.


I know, but Zakk is way to modest, and Dime cannot shred acoustic and country like Zakk can.


Rebel Meets Rebel. He also played live for David Allen Coe for about two years.


i didn^t say dime couldn't shred country and acoustic, but he's nbot as good as zakk


I'll allow it.


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I think Dime's a legend as much for his capacity for alcohol as anything else. I mean, define legend : Andreas Kisser is one of the greatest guitarists to walk the face of the earth, and where's his recognition? You have to admit, Ken, Dime's popularity went up a helluva lot after he was killed. People are as fickle as fuck - if Kurt 'Heroin' Cobain was still alive he would be nothing! Dave Grohl's rode off the fact he was in Nirvana the whole of his career, and the only reason Courtney Love's not now a truck-stop whore in Mexico is that she was married to the whiny git.

Dimebag could play guitar. Big shitting deal. Could he calm a terrified animal down, so it didn't have to be shot? Could he gain the trust of a starving orphan? Could he actually change world events, and make this shitstain of a planet a better place to live? No. I reserve my respect for those that deserve it.

Kisser isn't anything special, though. Dime's popularity didn't go up at all, it was just forced back into the limelight by tragic events. If Cobain were still alive he would be nothing? Totally retarded and 100% speculation. That last bit about saving the world is equally stupid, let's keep it in context, bud.


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