Things about music that annoy you.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:05 pm

Zad wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Now I'm goign to turn this around and say that Christians who think any secular music is "evil/Satanic" bother me. I mean, seriously. If these people actually took the trouble to LISTEN to the music they're protesting and actually learn about what the artist was trying to convey, they'd probably think a lot differently. Unfortunately, many of them don't. They basically protest bands they've never even listened to before. With absolutely no critical thought behind their often-incorrect and insanely biased arguments (many hardcore Christians, unfortunately, are not critical thinkers).

Meanwhile, some teenagers are actually scared to listen to secular music because they think any music that isn't about glorifying God must be "evil/immoral" (because, as we all know, any modern secular music must be evi/immoral - because you can only be morally sound if you sing about glorifying Jesus in every song you write :blink:

). This is because they blindly follow what some self-righteous pastors tell them (all secular music is about killing people and rejecting God - so you're a bad/evil person if you listen to secular music), without actually listening to the music and forming their own honest opinion of it. Why? Because if it's a Pastor who's one with God, he/she is always morally correct and is never wrong about anything. :blink:

Talk about naivity.

Think yourself lucky you haven't encountered the orthodox Jewish approach to music. Music can affect the soul (metaphorically speaking, of course) or the body, and only music that is good for the soul is good to listen to. Anything else is harmful.

Don't, I mean, do not seek out any of the orthodox-sanctioned Jewish music. Even Mattisyahu is superior, and that's a barrel of shit, right there.

A lot of these types of people (both the people that you and I described) are very sheltered/naive. As I said previously, they're basically TAUGHT to believe that anything secular (at least in music) must be "evil." So they're actually scared to listen to secular music, etc. I know, because I was actually one of those people. Until my curiosity finally led me to check out the secular modern music scene. Only to find out that a lot of what these pastors, etc. said was in fact wrong. I can understand wanting to get spiritual fulfillment from your music, and may be some people (who specifically want that out of music) don't get it from secular music. Fair enough. But to proclaim that all secular music is "evil and the work of Satan" is very naive and judgemental.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:04 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

A lot of these types of people (both the people that you and I described) are very sheltered/naive. As I said previously, they're basically TAUGHT to believe that anything secular (at least in music) must be "evil." So they're actually scared to listen to secular music, etc. I know, because I was actually one of those people. Until my curiosity finally led me to check out the secular modern music scene. Only to find out that a lot of what these pastors, etc. said was in fact wrong. I can understand wanting to get spiritual fulfillment from your music, and may be some people (who specifically want that out of music) don't get it from secular music. Fair enough. But to proclaim that all secular music is "evil and the work of Satan" is very naive and judgemental.

Strangely enough, I like some spiritual music. Some country, Johnny Cash, and the more energetic gospel stuff can be very cool. As you said, it's the closemindedness that grates.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:32 pm

Dude, we know all this. Christians suck.

Thomas · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:39 pm

you should really keep those stupid arguments to yourself. do yourself a favour and stop emmbarrasing yourself.

Thomas · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:43 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Zad wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Now I'm goign to turn this around and say that Christians who think any secular music is "evil/Satanic" bother me. I mean, seriously. If these people actually took the trouble to LISTEN to the music they're protesting and actually learn about what the artist was trying to convey, they'd probably think a lot differently. Unfortunately, many of them don't. They basically protest bands they've never even listened to before. With absolutely no critical thought behind their often-incorrect and insanely biased arguments (many hardcore Christians, unfortunately, are not critical thinkers).

Meanwhile, some teenagers are actually scared to listen to secular music because they think any music that isn't about glorifying God must be "evil/immoral" (because, as we all know, any modern secular music must be evi/immoral - because you can only be morally sound if you sing about glorifying Jesus in every song you write :blink:

). This is because they blindly follow what some self-righteous pastors tell them (all secular music is about killing people and rejecting God - so you're a bad/evil person if you listen to secular music), without actually listening to the music and forming their own honest opinion of it. Why? Because if it's a Pastor who's one with God, he/she is always morally correct and is never wrong about anything. :blink:

Talk about naivity.

Think yourself lucky you haven't encountered the orthodox Jewish approach to music. Music can affect the soul (metaphorically speaking, of course) or the body, and only music that is good for the soul is good to listen to. Anything else is harmful.

Don't, I mean, do not seek out any of the orthodox-sanctioned Jewish music. Even Mattisyahu is superior, and that's a barrel of shit, right there.

A lot of these types of people (both the people that you and I described) are very sheltered/naive. As I said previously, they're basically TAUGHT to believe that anything secular (at least in music) must be "evil." So they're actually scared to listen to secular music, etc. I know, because I was actually one of those people. Until my curiosity finally led me to check out the secular modern music scene. Only to find out that a lot of what these pastors, etc. said was in fact wrong. I can understand wanting to get spiritual fulfillment from your music, and may be some people (who specifically want that out of music) don't get it from secular music. Fair enough. But to proclaim that all secular music is "evil and the work of Satan" is very naive and judgemental.

well, actually, thats more typical for the generation above. especiallywhen talking about christianity. there are not many youths, at least in my area, that is christian and do not listen to music with non-christian themes... i Don't now about the US though..

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:46 pm

metal_xxx wrote:

you should really keep those stupid arguments to yourself. do yourself a favour and stop emmbarrasing yourself.

I was being ironic. But really, the existence of naive brainwashed teenagers has long been known.

Thomas · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:54 pm

allright, but i dont really think that you have taken time to get to know christians...they are all mosly perfectly normal...

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:32 pm

metal_xxx wrote:

allright, but i dont really think that you have taken time to get to know christians...they are all mosly perfectly normal...

Unfortunately where I live is a small, catholic society full of papists and other shit. I walk around my school and find excerpts from the bible pinned up on the walls.

Azrael · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:45 am

do you go to a catholic school?

i went to one (a jesuit school, to be precise) from grades 2-12 and i'd put my kids there with no second thoughts. religion classes were mandatory but you were taught stuff about other religions as well there, other than that it was just like any other school, i guess.

Cara · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:36 am

Azrael wrote:

do you go to a catholic school?

i went to one (a jesuit school, to be precise) from grades 2-12 and i'd put my kids there with no second thoughts. religion classes were mandatory but you were taught stuff about other religions as well there, other than that it was just like any other school, i guess.

I go to a catholic highschool. I went to a catholic elementary school as well.

I'm catholic, ohhshiiiii.

I'm not a practicing, or really a believing catholic at all. I wouldn't change schools either. Like you said, you learn about other religions. And I absolutely love it. Religion last year was actually my favourite course.

Thomas · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:06 am

FrigidSymphony wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

allright, but i dont really think that you have taken time to get to know christians...they are all mosly perfectly normal...

Unfortunately where I live is a small, catholic society full of papists and other shit. I walk around my school and find excerpts from the bible pinned up on the walls.

ahh...catholics are not what you find most of in norway..

Anonymous · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:15 am

FrigidSymphony wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

you should really keep those stupid arguments to yourself. do yourself a favour and stop emmbarrasing yourself.

I was being ironic. But really, the existence of naive brainwashed teenagers has long been known.

Oh Frigid! Enlightened one! Show us your ways!

Mintrude · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:51 am

Quote:

I go to a catholic highschool. I went to a catholic elementary school as well.

I'm catholic, ohhshiiiii.

I'm not a practicing, or really a believing catholic at all. I wouldn't change schools either. Like you said, you learn about other religions. And I absolutely love it. Religion last year was actually my favourite course.

I go to a Chrisian school myself, although I'm not religious. You do get a pretty good education there. Luckily I got a tolerant RE teacher who won't mark you down for not belieiving in God like the other one does.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:39 pm

I, too, am Catholic and went to a (good) Jesuit High School. And I like some church music myself, along with a couple Christian bands. I just checked out Theocracy yestarday. I must say, this is quality power metal. And, for once, the Christian lyrical themes really do fit with the music. So it's both uplifting and well-played... all by the multitalented Matt Smith.

May be it all depends on the individual. Most of the Christians I know listen to both secular music and some occasional Christian music (like me). But it seems like when you go into a Christian Message Board or join a Christian Club, you find a lot of the people listen almost exclusively to Christian Music. Not that that's necessarily wrong (it's ultimately up to them and what they like), but I don't really think it's healthy to walk on eggshells so much. God and Jesus never said you necessarily need to (to quote Alice Cooper) be kneeling in a closet 24 hours a day with no outside life.

I guess it all depends on what you want to specifically get out of the music you listen to. Spiritual uplifting is nice, but it's not a necessity for me. And I can be spiritually uplifted even by some secular music, believe it or not.

Ness · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:49 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

I, too, am Catholic and went to a (good) Jesuit High School. And I like some church music myself, along with a couple Christian bands. I just checked out Theocracy yestarday. I must say, this is quality power metal. And, for once, the Christian lyrical themes really do fit with the music. So it's both uplifting and well-played... all by the multitalented Matt Smith.

May be it all depends on the individual. Most of the Christians I know listen to both secular music and some occasional Christian music (like me). But it seems like when you go into a Christian Message Board or join a Christian Club, you find a lot of the people listen almost exclusively to Christian Music. Not that that's necessarily wrong (it's ultimately up to them and what they like), but I don't really think it's healthy to walk on eggshells so much. God and Jesus never said you necessarily need to (to quote Alice Cooper) be kneeling in a closet 24 hours a day with no outside life.

I guess it all depends on what you want to specifically get out of the music you listen to. Spiritual uplifting is nice, but it's not a necessity for me. And I can be spiritually uplifted even by some secular music, believe it or not.

You make a good point....

Just in general. It seems like you always have some remark that makes sense.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:52 pm

metalNESS wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

I, too, am Catholic and went to a (good) Jesuit High School. And I like some church music myself, along with a couple Christian bands. I just checked out Theocracy yestarday. I must say, this is quality power metal. And, for once, the Christian lyrical themes really do fit with the music. So it's both uplifting and well-played... all by the multitalented Matt Smith.

May be it all depends on the individual. Most of the Christians I know listen to both secular music and some occasional Christian music (like me). But it seems like when you go into a Christian Message Board or join a Christian Club, you find a lot of the people listen almost exclusively to Christian Music. Not that that's necessarily wrong (it's ultimately up to them and what they like), but I don't really think it's healthy to walk on eggshells so much. God and Jesus never said you necessarily need to (to quote Alice Cooper) be kneeling in a closet 24 hours a day with no outside life.

I guess it all depends on what you want to specifically get out of the music you listen to. Spiritual uplifting is nice, but it's not a necessity for me. And I can be spiritually uplifted even by some secular music, believe it or not.

You make a good point....

Just in general. It seems like you always have some remark that makes sense.

Thanks.

Mintrude · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:52 pm

The closest I get to Christian music is Dream Theater. I think the problem with a lot of Christian music is that it puts the the evangelizing before writing a decent song.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:54 pm

One particular band that's popular within the Christian metal community is Demon Hunter. I checked them out just yestarday. Overall, not really my cup of tea (I don't much like metalcore), but I've certainly heard worse bands.

I really only like Christian Power Metal (when it comes to Christian Metal) because that's probably the one medium where Christian lyrics can really uplift and serve their purpose (the Helloween song Don't Stop Being Crazy always makes me happy because it reminds me so much of my girlfriend). I can't really be as uplifted by death metal or metalcore, since those particular styles of music just don't permit it.

Thomas · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:28 pm

Mintrude wrote:

The closest I get to Christian music is Dream Theater. I think the problem with a lot of Christian music is that it puts the the evangelizing before writing a decent song.

well..there are some really good christian bands out there....take for example Extol..they are not really preaching.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:56 pm

I don't go to a catholic school. I did, once, and it was full of either brainwashed people trying to convert me or a few moronic kids trying to be all evil listening to Marilyn Manson and shit without even knowing the first thing about demonic mythology.

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