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Anonymous · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:37 am

Eyesore wrote:

Oh yeah, obviously there are hundreds of bands that could go on that list, but out of those that are there, only a few I would take off. Fugazi are not one of them. Fugazi are fucking amazing and EXTREMELY influential. They deserve the nod even if the guy who compiled it probably couldn't name one Fugazi song.

yep.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:41 am

Husker wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Oh yeah, obviously there are hundreds of bands that could go on that list, but out of those that are there, only a few I would take off. Fugazi are not one of them. Fugazi are fucking amazing and EXTREMELY influential. They deserve the nod even if the guy who compiled it probably couldn't name one Fugazi song.

yep.

You now have my eternal respect.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:02 am

So many more influential and important bands not listed... like At The Gates and Death.

SilkCrimsonMoon · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:06 am

The list is simply: SHIT!

Trooper Of Steel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:34 am

I agree the list is poor, but they have managed to list, well i guess the majority of bands you'd expect.

I think the reason Green Day is there, is because they managed to influence two different generations of kids with their music. With Dookie and then again with American Idiot. I personally think Green Day are responsible for making the bulk of their fans act like fucking idiots.

True, there are a lot of bands which should be on this list....but what else do you expect from Kerrang? I'm sure all of us could come up with a better list, and extend the time line to about the last 35 years (1970), when rock/hard rock/metal was born.

Rhys · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:28 am

I would switch out Emperor for something else, because a lot of bad BM is the stuff inspired by Emperor (and also Darkthrone, who i would not put on there also.)

Maybe Burzum? (for sheer quality and influencing some good bands, and putting out four amazing records before emperor had even released ITNE)

Actually, who did invent black metal? The second wave were inspired by Bathory and such right? So who was the first to play what we call black metal?

Darkthrone maybe? (only because i know ABITNS was released in 1991) Or Mayhem?

Rhys · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:33 am

Trooper Of Steel wrote:

I was browsing through the Metallica.com forums when i came across this thread:

Kerrang! called Metallica the third most important group of the past 25 years. Any comments?

Here's the entire list:

1. Iron Maiden
2. Guns'N'Roses - :evil:
3. Metallica
4. AC/DC
5. Green Day - :evil:
6. Ozzy Osbourne - :evil: (why not Black Sabbath? They still influence bands today, including a bad that is huge right now, Wolfmother.
7. Slayer
8. Faith No More
9. Pantera
10. Nirvana
11. Bon Jovi - :evil:
12. Korn - :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: (yeah they made nu metal huge, but they and anyone they influenced suck. And Limp Bizkit got huge because Korn helped them out early on. :evil: :evil:
13. Judas Priest
14. Blink 182 - :evil:
15. Nine Inch Nails
16. Fugazi
17. Napalm Death
18. Black Flag
19. Soundgarden
20. Slipknot - :evil: :evil:
21. Def Leppard
22. Marilyn Manson - :evil:
23. Emperor
24. Rage Against The Machine
25. Motorhead

A few people were asking why Black Sabbath werent listed in the top 25 bands. And Lepplin and Van Halen for that matter. Considering Sabbath released their debut in 1970, it was 36 years ago, possibly kerrang thought their importance and impact only happened in Sabbath's first 10-15 years.
Yet Sabbath have been around in the last 25 years and still to this day have made an impact on the metal culture.

Then i see some dickwit write this comment:

BLACK SABBATH HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING IN THE PAST 25 YEARS THAT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTED MODERN POPULAR CULTURE. SINCE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR IMPACT WAS WELL OVER 25 YEARS AGO TO SAY THEY HAVE DIRECTLY AFFECTED MODERN POPULAR CULTURE IS STUPID. THIS IS NOT TO SAY SABBATH HAD NO INFLUENCE AT ALL ON POPULAR CULTURE IN THE PAST HOWEVER THEY HAVE HAD NO, THAT WORD AGAIN, NO EFFECT ON MODERN POPULAR CULTURE

I know this will bring a nice debate at metalreviews, what are your thoughts, people?

P.S- There is also a poll in the metallica.com forums asking "Do you like St. Anger: Yes or No? I was shocked to see that 80% picked.....YES....WTF :shock:

Where is the death metal??? Surely on spot for Deaht metal is not too much to ask. And what about Doom, or gothic?

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:52 am

Quote:

1. Iron Maiden
2. Guns'N'Roses
3. Metallica
4. AC/DC
5. Green Day
6. Ozzy Osbourne
7. Slayer
8. Faith No More
9. Pantera
10. Nirvana
11. Bon Jovi
12. Korn
13. Judas Priest
14. Blink 182
15. Nine Inch Nails
16. Fugazi
17. Napalm Death
18. Black Flag
19. Soundgarden
20. Slipknot
21. Def Leppard
22. Marilyn Manson
23. Emperor
24. Rage Against The Machine
25. Motorhead

Agreed, disagree but understand, and WHAT THE FUCK?

This list is fucked in so many ways. Slayer may be a big band, but where's Bathory? Pantera and Nirvana may have been influences, but is music better off for them? I don't think so. Priest belong there, but Nine Inch Fucking Nails definately do not. Ministry are the true Industrial daddies, with an honourable mention to Skinny Puupy. Aaron, you are 100% correct, Napalm Death belong there, if not higher. And I think you overreacted there, MetalStorm, considering the amount of shit you talk...

As Rio said, token BM with Emperor, but RATM should not be there. Dead Kennedys, maybe, but not RATM. And Motorhead are, of course, gods.

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:54 pm

Why aren't the Stone Rose's there? Without them Indie rock would not be around. Regardless of weather you think they're good or not they're still one of the most important bands of the past 25 years.

rio · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:18 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

Why aren't the Stone Rose's there? Without them Indie rock would not be around.

That's quite a claim, but they are definitely a great band.

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:28 pm

rio wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

Why aren't the Stone Rose's there? Without them Indie rock would not be around.

That's quite a claim, but they are definitely a great band.

A lot of the brit pop bands were really inspired by the stones, none more than oasis. And also the whole madchester scene can be traced aback to them, bands like the mondays where hugly influenced by them. I think they were certainly one of the mian players on the formation of the indie sound, and i don't think i'm alone in thiking that.....well maybe here i am.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:38 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

rio wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

Why aren't the Stone Rose's there? Without them Indie rock would not be around.

That's quite a claim, but they are definitely a great band.

A lot of the brit pop bands were really inspired by the stones, none more than oasis. And also the whole madchester scene can be traced aback to them, bands like the mondays where hugly influenced by them. I think they were certainly one of the mian players on the formation of the indie sound, and i don't think i'm alone in thiking that.....well maybe here i am.

I think the Beatles were an even bigger influence, but if we start bringing older bands in... :roll:

rio · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:12 pm

I agree that they were the driving force behind that whole scene, and I would welcome their inclusion. I guess what I mean is, they shaped the face of 90s indie, but it would still have happened without them. Oasis would've still appeared, for example.

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:37 pm

rio wrote:

I agree that they were the driving force behind that whole scene, and I would welcome their inclusion. I guess what I mean is, they shaped the face of 90s indie, but it would still have happened without them. Oasis would've still appeared, for example.

agreed

Bon jovi? Can any one explain that one??

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:40 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

rio wrote:

I agree that they were the driving force behind that whole scene, and I would welcome their inclusion. I guess what I mean is, they shaped the face of 90s indie, but it would still have happened without them. Oasis would've still appeared, for example.

agreed

Bon jovi? Can any one explain that one??

They prevented sexually-frustrated housewives everywhere from running into the streets and starting a mass orgy, thus preventing the collapse of society?

Or the bloke that wrote the list's a wanker.

ElTipo · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:50 pm

Zad wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

rio wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

Why aren't the Stone Rose's there? Without them Indie rock would not be around.

That's quite a claim, but they are definitely a great band.

A lot of the brit pop bands were really inspired by the stones, none more than oasis. And also the whole madchester scene can be traced aback to them, bands like the mondays where hugly influenced by them. I think they were certainly one of the mian players on the formation of the indie sound, and i don't think i'm alone in thiking that.....well maybe here i am.

I think the Beatles were an even bigger influence, but if we start bringing older bands in... :roll:

What do you mean, everyone was influenced by Mozart and Beethoven. But even they were influenced by Pythagoras and his advent of the musical scale. And then even he was influenced by nature and its ratios. So I say the top two should be:
1. Pentacle
2. Golden Ratio

Who could do anything without these?

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:56 pm

Zad wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

rio wrote:

I agree that they were the driving force behind that whole scene, and I would welcome their inclusion. I guess what I mean is, they shaped the face of 90s indie, but it would still have happened without them. Oasis would've still appeared, for example.

agreed

Bon jovi? Can any one explain that one??

They prevented sexually-frustrated housewives everywhere from running into the streets and starting a mass orgy, thus preventing the collapse of society?

Or the bloke that wrote the list's a wanker.

Oh hes definitely a wanker, he works for kerrang.

But seriously, that one i can't get my head round

Trooper Of Steel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:13 pm

The only thing i can think of is Bon Jovi and his music made it "fun" to enjoy hard rock. He kinda bridged the gap between hair metal and rock, so that i wasnt just metalheads that liked the music, but everybody, including women.
Bon Jovi's influence on other bands and artists after his glory days is fairly big and influenced hair metal bands around at the time, to include the "rock" genre into their hair metal genre, like bringing it down a tad, more radio friendly.
Kinda like the two sides of Motley Crue and Def Leppard. Towards the mid eighties they both had rock/radio friendly elements in their hair metal music.

Or maybe his influence was getting women into the genre, which originally was started by Van Halen and Def Leppard

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:21 pm

ElTipo wrote:

What do you mean, everyone was influenced by Mozart and Beethoven. But even they were influenced by Pythagoras and his advent of the musical scale. And then even he was influenced by nature and its ratios. So I say the top two should be:
1. Pentacle
2. Golden Ratio

Who could do anything without these?

Just a shame they haven't released much in the past 25 years otherwise they be right up there.

@zad, yeah the beatles had a big hand in what indie is but i think the stones had a much more direct influence and should be there!

Trooper Of Steel wrote:

The only thing i can think of is Bon Jovi and his music made it "fun" to enjoy hard rock. He kinda bridged the gap between hair metal and rock, so that i wasnt just metalheads that liked the music, but everybody, including women.
Bon Jovi's influence on other bands and artists after his glory days is fairly big and influenced hair metal bands around at the time, to include the "rock" genre into their hair metal genre, like bringing it down a tad, more radio friendly.
Kinda like the two sides of Motley Crue and Def Leppard. Towards the mid eighties they both had rock/radio friendly elements in their hair metal music.

Or maybe his influence was getting women into the genre, which originally was started by Van Halen and Def Leppard

I suppose thats true, but are they really worthy of being in this list???

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:25 pm

Quote:

@zad, yeah the beatles had a big hand in what indie is but i think the stones had a much more direct influence and should be there!

I think the Beatles influenced the Stones, though. Even if I do prefer them... :wink:

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