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But A Predator's Portrait had clean vocals! And clean vocals = selling out

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That's what I was about to say.

soilwork never had to sell out, they were always fucking awful.

Not always. They were never really that good but they weren't awful for there first 3 albums or so. Nothing compared to the new shit they are putting out.

Ah yes. That is my life philosophy. The reason I hated A Predator's Portrait had nothing to do with the fact that the songs were boring and predictable. In retrospect Chainheart Machine kinda sucked too. It is impossible for me to defend anything about that ripoff band.

Looking at my melodeath section I realized that the only active melodeath band I enjoy today is Dark Tranquillity.

Jesus, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Compared to iit's peers, APP is one of the LEAST predictable. It either didn't fall right into your hands, or you let other people sway your opinion, because it sure as hell ain't predictable. 'Specially considering it's post Heartwork.

I bought it when it came out in 2001. At first I liked it, but it got stale very quick. What is so unpredictable about it? Soilwork's tried and true pop song structures...but with clean vocals! It is revolutionary! Except Dark Tranquility already used the clean vocals on Projecter, and much more effectively. And I don't appreciate the overstatement. You don't agree with my opinion, fine. But spare me the rest.

LOL, you got used to the album, and THAT'S when it became predictable? Christ. Now you really look invalid. APP was nuts. APP was signs of a new Soilwork, but not necessarily a sellout Soilwork. APP was NOT predictable. Are you sure we're even talking about the same album?

New Sepultura.
This band should change its name...

You need to stop the ad-hominem attacks. It got stale because of the lame, PREDICTABLE songwriting. It was a Britney Spears album structurally speaking. The best thing about the album was actually the clean vocals. But they were used in a poppy chorus structure.

Nothing predictable about the songwriting. Considering it's a Verse Chorus Verse Chorus album, it's quite original. What was POPPY about the album? They took a chance with it, and I'm not talking Clean Vox. Not that clean vox should matter. I expect people to hate the album, but to call it predictable is a fucking joke. Gimme a break, Britney Spears.

What chance did they take, if you throw out the clean vocals? They streamlined their sound, and slowed it down a bit, The chance they took was to make their music more accessible? More pop sounding? Perhaps the album wasn't that predictable to some. Who would have guessed they were taking the first step in selling out? Even In Flames was using clean vocal choruses before APP. Clayman came out a year earlier. So what makes this an original album?

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Slowed down, and added clean vox? If that's the way you wanna look at it. Chainheart was the accessable album. Sounded like EVERYTHING else. At least APP had some spontaneity, combined with solid song writing (which you can't see, obviously, and which I can't penalize you for), a mix of clean and rasps, which were used alot at the time, yes... But, not in the numbers that have been over using it today. Besides, CHM basically set up the use of such vox way before IF did it anyway, cuz Bjorn SOUNDED like Bjorn. He didn't stray, so what does it matter? The songs were chaotic, with slight straying from the normal Verse Chorus, Verse Chorus style. Still, they clung to it. So what? Them, and 5 billion other bands. And if you ask me, they didn't slow down, just upped the production. Not a bad thing, either, considering the final product. I assume you speak of the choruses when you mention the word "Poppy." And if that's the case, you'd might as well engage with a wall in this argument, for there are FAR too many reasons why that is debatable.

Anyway, I don't care anymore. I just re-read the part where you called them a ripoff band. That made me laugh twice as hard as the first time.

But they were a ripoff band from the very outset. From ATG worship they moved to APP. I agree APP is more original than Chainheart Machine. But what I see is a calcuated move to become more accessible and eventually sell-out. You see it as a legimately good album. That is what our argument is, a matter of opinion.

I really don't like Mikael Stanne's clean vocals at all and to me they ruined like half of Porjector... I don't think I've heard a straightforward melodic death metal band that uses clean vocals better than on a predator's portrait... but whatever. The only melodeath I listen to these days is Arsis and sometimes Non-Human Level

I love Stanne's vocals on Projector. Stanne is the man.

I vote for Good Charlotte.

Why all the Sep hatred? They're better than at least two of the other choices.

I chose them because, while you are indeed correct, they don't seem to get the hint that nobody gives a shit anymore. Every year it's another mediocre album followed by whining over no-one buying it. It got tiresome after Nation, and yet it just keeps going on.