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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:37 am 
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Wait, she wasn't doing that already? I believe she's on K-Fed baby number 2. Also, she's a Brunette now, which is a mighty improvement.

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Totally off-topic (like this thread is on topic), this is a girl I dated briefly while in Little Rock, she looked like Britney Spears, but that was before she was even known (this photo's not the greatest example, but it's all I have). This picture was taken in Memphis—where there's a ton of black people all over the place—and all night she was walking around talking about her "nigger hat," which she is wearing in this photo. And she was fucking LOUD! I thought I was going to die.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:51 am 
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a) Dimebag being an amzing guitar player.

Agreed, he had the skills.

b) Dimebag being an amazing songwriter

Opinons i say, nothing else, and you cant force that stament by saying how big Pantera was, if that was the case Exhorder should be fucking hughe, the same thing goes for saying "you dont like Pantera because you havent even heard them or you werent there or you are too young or whatever" look Ken you just have to accept the fact that some people dont like the same stuff than you, yes Pantera were big, no doubt about that, but trust me when i said this, a lot of metalheads werent so crazy about them in the 90's myself being one of them, about Dimebag being put in legend satus because of his death, there is some thruth about it, sure Dimebag was recognized as great guitar player back when he was alive, no doubt about it, every metalhead would agree on that, but you cant also deny that his death made a lot of kids saying he was the greatest player ever, when in fact alot of them never did heard more than a couple of Pantera songs.

c) Kurt Cobain being an amazing songwritter

the same thing applies, opinions, nothing else, good that you like Nirvana i dont, never did, a lot of my friends loved it, for me all of the songs sounds the same, boring and uninspired, and i just hate his whole fucking attitude on stage like "Im too stoned, bitter and depressed to entertain you guys, but you keep buying my records, and coming to my shows so i can afford more drugs".

And last but not least, i love you ken nothing against you man
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But like I said, liking music, enjoying music, and recognizing great songwriting are two different things. Can't you walk into an art gallery and appreciate the art, but not want to take it home and hang it on your wall?

You don't have to like Nirvana or Pantera to recognize good songwriting.


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a) Dimebag being an amzing guitar player.

Agreed, he had the skills.

b) Dimebag being an amazing songwriter

Opinons i say, nothing else, and you cant force that stament by saying how big Pantera was, if that was the case Exhorder should be fucking hughe, the same thing goes for saying "you dont like Pantera because you havent even heard them or you werent there or you are too young or whatever" look Ken you just have to accept the fact that some people dont like the same stuff than you, yes Pantera were big, no doubt about that, but trust me when i said this, a lot of metalheads werent so crazy about them in the 90's myself being one of them, about Dimebag being put in legend satus because of his death, there is some thruth about it, sure Dimebag was recognized as great guitar player back when he was alive, no doubt about it, every metalhead would agree on that, but you cant also deny that his death made a lot of kids saying he was the greatest player ever, when in fact alot of them never did heard more than a couple of Pantera songs.

c) Kurt Cobain being an amazing songwritter

the same thing applies, opinions, nothing else, good that you like Nirvana i dont, never did, a lot of my friends loved it, for me all of the songs sounds the same, boring and uninspired, and i just hate his whole fucking attitude on stage like "Im too stoned, bitter and depressed to entertain you guys, but you keep buying my records, and coming to my shows so i can afford more drugs".

And last but not least, i love you ken nothing against you man
:)

But like I said, liking music, enjoying music, and recognizing great songwriting are two different things. Can't you walk into an art gallery and appreciate the art, but not want to take it home and hang it on your wall?

You don't have to like Nirvana or Pantera to recognize good songwriting.


Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?


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People have different ideas of what makes good songwriting. For me a great songwriter can write a 10+ minute song that doesn't feel that long and just flows like a 3-5 minute long verse/chorus song does for practically every band.


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Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?

I don't think so. It's like thinking someone is pretty, but not being attracted to them.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:37 am 
They put a big picture of dimebag on the projector after Slayer played, and everyone cheered and was like DIMEBAG!!!


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They put a big picture of dimebag on the projector after Slayer played, and everyone cheered and was like DIMEBAG!!!

Kerry King played with them when Slayer were still 80s rockers.


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Eyesore wrote:
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Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?

I don't think so. It's like thinking someone is pretty, but not being attracted to them.


I dont quite get your analogy, it would only be valid with your idea of good songwriting, like thinking Dimebag is a good songwriter but dont liking his songs, but in my opinion how could you appreciate dimebag songwriting if you dont like his songs?, the structure of the songs? the lyrics?, their capacity to atract the masses?, if thats the case then i would have to agree then, Dimebag is good songwritter because his songs and lyrics are made in such a way that a lot of people likes them so as a songwriter he definitely delivered, but on the other hand i still find valid my first argument, i dont like Dimebag songs hence i dont think he is a goodsongwriter, not as an absolute truth but as an opinion based on personal preferences about music.


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I think Dimebag's guitar palying was the high point of Pantera, but thats not saying much and I'm not sure why he's so special...

that's my opinion of him at least... I haven't listened to much Pantera though so I might totally be wrong.


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Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?

I don't think so. It's like thinking someone is pretty, but not being attracted to them.

I dont quite get your analogy, it would only be valid with your idea of good songwriting, like thinking Dimebag is a good songwriter but dont liking his songs, but in my opinion how could you appreciate dimebag songwriting if you dont like his songs?, the structure of the songs? the lyrics?, their capacity to atract the masses?, if thats the case then i would have to agree then, Dimebag is good songwritter because his songs and lyrics are made in such a way that a lot of people likes them so as a songwriter he definitely delivered, but on the other hand i still find valid my first argument, i dont like Dimebag songs hence i dont think he is a goodsongwriter, not as an absolute truth but as an opinion based on personal preferences about music.

Do you think Brad Pitt is a good-looking dude?


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Eyesore wrote:
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Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?

I don't think so. It's like thinking someone is pretty, but not being attracted to them.

I dont quite get your analogy, it would only be valid with your idea of good songwriting, like thinking Dimebag is a good songwriter but dont liking his songs, but in my opinion how could you appreciate dimebag songwriting if you dont like his songs?, the structure of the songs? the lyrics?, their capacity to atract the masses?, if thats the case then i would have to agree then, Dimebag is good songwritter because his songs and lyrics are made in such a way that a lot of people likes them so as a songwriter he definitely delivered, but on the other hand i still find valid my first argument, i dont like Dimebag songs hence i dont think he is a goodsongwriter, not as an absolute truth but as an opinion based on personal preferences about music.

Do you think Brad Pitt is a good-looking dude?


Yes, but i still dont know how could this relate to songwriting.


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Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?

I don't think so. It's like thinking someone is pretty, but not being attracted to them.

I dont quite get your analogy, it would only be valid with your idea of good songwriting, like thinking Dimebag is a good songwriter but dont liking his songs, but in my opinion how could you appreciate dimebag songwriting if you dont like his songs?, the structure of the songs? the lyrics?, their capacity to atract the masses?, if thats the case then i would have to agree then, Dimebag is good songwritter because his songs and lyrics are made in such a way that a lot of people likes them so as a songwriter he definitely delivered, but on the other hand i still find valid my first argument, i dont like Dimebag songs hence i dont think he is a goodsongwriter, not as an absolute truth but as an opinion based on personal preferences about music.

Do you think Brad Pitt is a good-looking dude?


Yes, but i still dont know how could this relate to songwriting.

I think what Eyesore is getting at is that it's possible to appreciate the quality of something even if it's not to your taste. For example, I can appreciate the quality of a Monet, even if I'd rather have a Bosch on my wall. I recognize the talent and skill Monet had as a painter, even if impressionism doesn't get me excited.

I might be oversimplifying, though, in which case I don't get what he's trying to say, either.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:45 am 
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I think what Eyesore is getting at is that it's possible to appreciate the quality of something even if it's not to your taste. For example, I can appreciate the quality of a Monet, even if I'd rather have a Bosch on my wall. I recognize the talent and skill Monet had as a painter, even if impressionism doesn't get me excited.

I might be oversimplifying, though, in which case I don't get what he's trying to say, either.

Nope. This is precisely what I meant. Did I not explain it enough? Is "Do you think Brad Pitt is good-looking?" too ambiguous? :lol:


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Brad Pitt isn't good looking.


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Brad Pitt isn't good looking.

Fag.


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Brad Pitt isn't good looking.

Fag.


I like my men to look like women. Eases the sick feeling in my stomach.


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Not in my opinion, how would you define great songwritting then?, besides writting good songs, and arent good songs just a matter of opinion?

I don't think so. It's like thinking someone is pretty, but not being attracted to them.

I dont quite get your analogy, it would only be valid with your idea of good songwriting, like thinking Dimebag is a good songwriter but dont liking his songs, but in my opinion how could you appreciate dimebag songwriting if you dont like his songs?, the structure of the songs? the lyrics?, their capacity to atract the masses?, if thats the case then i would have to agree then, Dimebag is good songwritter because his songs and lyrics are made in such a way that a lot of people likes them so as a songwriter he definitely delivered, but on the other hand i still find valid my first argument, i dont like Dimebag songs hence i dont think he is a goodsongwriter, not as an absolute truth but as an opinion based on personal preferences about music.

Do you think Brad Pitt is a good-looking dude?


Yes, but i still dont know how could this relate to songwriting.

I think what Eyesore is getting at is that it's possible to appreciate the quality of something even if it's not to your taste. For example, I can appreciate the quality of a Monet, even if I'd rather have a Bosch on my wall. I recognize the talent and skill Monet had as a painter, even if impressionism doesn't get me excited.

I might be oversimplifying, though, in which case I don't get what he's trying to say, either.


Ok but what if you tought that Monet paintings are crap, would you still be able to call him a good paintor?, its not about talent and skills im talking about, i already granted that Dimebag was a good guitar player , but in my opinion songwriting is directly related to the songs, but like i said earlier its not a fact just an opinion.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:24 am 
Zad wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
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Brad Pitt isn't good looking.

Fag.

I like my men to look like women. Eases the sick feeling in my stomach.

Aah, that's why you like Misha so.


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Ok but what if you tought that Monet paintings are crap, would you still be able to call him a good paintor?, its not about talent and skills im talking about, i already granted that Dimebag was a good guitar player , but in my opinion songwriting is directly related to the songs, but like i said earlier its not a fact just an opinion.

But I think Dime's legacy is separate from Pantera. Regardless of what anyone thinks, Pantera will go down as metal legends, they already are. They were THE metal band of the 90s and they were pretty bad ass.

With Dime it's different, I think his guitar playing was phenomenal! The dude could shred! And no, he wasn't mediocre in the slightest sense. Not even close. As a teenager he wasn't mediocre. He is one of the greatest metal guitarists to ever live. Metal I say, I'm not comparing him to Michael Hedges or anything (whom, by the way, was a fucking INSANE guitarist).

I will never deny that Yngwie is also one of the greatest metal guitarists ever, but I'm not impressed with his songwriting skills.


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Eyesore wrote:
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Ok but what if you tought that Monet paintings are crap, would you still be able to call him a good paintor?, its not about talent and skills im talking about, i already granted that Dimebag was a good guitar player , but in my opinion songwriting is directly related to the songs, but like i said earlier its not a fact just an opinion.

But I think Dime's legacy is separate from Pantera. Regardless of what anyone thinks, Pantera will go down as metal legends, they already are. They were THE metal band of the 90s and they were pretty bad ass.

With Dime it's different, I think his guitar playing was phenomenal! The dude could shred! And no, he wasn't mediocre in the slightest sense. Not even close. As a teenager he wasn't mediocre. He is one of the greatest metal guitarists to ever live. Metal I say, I'm not comparing him to Michael Hedges or anything (whom, by the way, was a fucking INSANE guitarist).

I will never deny that Yngwie is also one of the greatest metal guitarists ever, but I'm not impressed with his songwriting skills.


You see now i can agree with you, Pantera will go down as Metal legends, that is something that goes beyond opinions that is a fact, to deny it would be stupid, even if i dont like them (wich i dont), and as a guitar player yes Dimebag was great but as a songwritter i just dont like it.

For me the only way to appreciate music is through the music itself in this case Panteras music or songs, of course i also can appreciate musicianship even if i dont like the songs but i tought i had made myself clear about that.

To put it in better words i will refer to dimebag the same way that you referred to yngwie:

"I will never deny that dimebag was one of the best metal guitarist ever, but I'm not impressed with his songwriting skills".


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