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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:16 am 
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Shared my newfound love of CO on another forum and was given other metalcore suggestions for bands that were evolving the genre in interesting ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI7GzbNLGOY


Never heard of these guys but kinda digging this; been listening to black/death most of the afternoon and it requires quite a different mindset! But I could talk about experimental/prog metalcore quite a bit, these guys come to mind among others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ygu7RKJMo4


I have heard of Coalesce! I even have a copy of Give them Rope somewhere. Never heard this track before. Love the intro, and the rest of the song too.

Love the leadwork on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcTmJ1UEKt0


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I have heard of Coalesce! I even have a copy of Give them Rope somewhere. Never heard this track before. Love the intro, and the rest of the song too.

Love the leadwork on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcTmJ1UEKt0


I quite like Architects, although I do prefer their earlier, harder stuff and had tended to think their more recent stuff was a bit soft, going to have to re-examine it!

These guys have to be close to the top when discussing this sort of thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Q87LFycXI


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I have heard of Coalesce! I even have a copy of Give them Rope somewhere. Never heard this track before. Love the intro, and the rest of the song too.

Love the leadwork on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcTmJ1UEKt0


I quite like Architects, although I do prefer their earlier, harder stuff and had tended to think their more recent stuff was a bit soft, going to have to re-examine it!

These guys have to be close to the top when discussing this sort of thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Q87LFycXI


I found out the lead guitarist of Architects died in 2016 (RIP) and upon hearing their new album thought it was way too syrupy and soft.

Yes, I've heard a ton about Botch recently, never heard them until now though: this is really good, especially the snaking leads! They were influenced by this band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JEkDShKoc


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I found out the lead guitarist of Architects died in 2016 (RIP) and upon hearing their new album thought it was way too syrupy and soft.

Yes, I've heard a ton about Botch recently, never heard them until now though: this is really good, especially the snaking leads! They were influenced by this band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JEkDShKoc


If it's the same album I'm thinking of, then yes, it was a little too much, but losing a key member makes it understandable.

Drive Like Jehu! I've heard them before but they've not quite clicked for me; I can hear the influence on Botch, though.

Let's mix it up a little: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTXbtL1Kor8


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I found out the lead guitarist of Architects died in 2016 (RIP) and upon hearing their new album thought it was way too syrupy and soft.

Yes, I've heard a ton about Botch recently, never heard them until now though: this is really good, especially the snaking leads! They were influenced by this band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JEkDShKoc


If it's the same album I'm thinking of, then yes, it was a little too much, but losing a key member makes it understandable.

Drive Like Jehu! I've heard them before but they've not quite clicked for me; I can hear the influence on Botch, though.

Let's mix it up a little: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTXbtL1Kor8


Really liked the fretless bass and metalcore and prog parts. Chorus is infectious too. Sure hope they don't pull stunts like those vocals at 1:54 normally but everything else was excellent!

Autumn & Carbine from CO's new record referenced this song and singer. Always had something of mixed opinion of this band but I think that was based on their singles though: what do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWkh13Efebg if blocked in your country try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWiDauyEDv0


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Really liked the fretless bass and metalcore and prog parts. Chorus is infectious too. Sure hope they don't pull stunts like those vocals at 1:54 normally but everything else was excellent!

Autumn & Carbine from CO's new record referenced this song and singer. Always had something of mixed opinion of this band but I think that was based on their singles though: what do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWkh13Efebg if blocked in your country try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWiDauyEDv0


There's normally more rapping than that sort of jazzy John Legend-y stuff going on, which I'm not sure is better in your eyes or not! Great band, though, deserved to be much bigger than they ever got.

(Only the second link worked) I do like Type O, but some eras were definitely better than others. World Coming Down, for instance, is a gloomy masterpiece that I've been meaning to write up for a while but never got around to. Peter's voice was rather unique, and it does work; what holds the band back are the productions, which can be a bit compressed-feeling (like this) and the songwriting not always being on point.

I don't remember bringing this band up, but apologies if I have: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEjsIyRP_k

Did enjoy their take on gothic metal, though.


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Goat wrote:
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Really liked the fretless bass and metalcore and prog parts. Chorus is infectious too. Sure hope they don't pull stunts like those vocals at 1:54 normally but everything else was excellent!

Autumn & Carbine from CO's new record referenced this song and singer. Always had something of mixed opinion of this band but I think that was based on their singles though: what do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWkh13Efebg if blocked in your country try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWiDauyEDv0


There's normally more rapping than that sort of jazzy John Legend-y stuff going on, which I'm not sure is better in your eyes or not! Great band, though, deserved to be much bigger than they ever got.

(Only the second link worked) I do like Type O, but some eras were definitely better than others. World Coming Down, for instance, is a gloomy masterpiece that I've been meaning to write up for a while but never got around to. Peter's voice was rather unique, and it does work; what holds the band back are the productions, which can be a bit compressed-feeling (like this) and the songwriting not always being on point.

I don't remember bringing this band up, but apologies if I have: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEjsIyRP_k

Did enjoy their take on gothic metal, though.


Thanks for your take on Type O, yeah I struggled to find a track of 'Green Man' that didn't sound terribly produced. Slow Deep and Hard is a really interesting debut with weird song structures, and my just made impression of World Coming Down based on the title track is very good too. Some of those other albums like Bloody Kisses and October Rust feel a bit lacking.

First time you've posted Ava Inferi and I quite liked it! It reminds me of a heavier Lush based on those dreamy vocals. Blasphemer's guitars are just heavy enough: shame the project disbanded. Time to post another track that Brave Murder Day surely inspired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3k5w8rpRuM&list=PL39VVRTN4U35H8VZ43rW4IgtqCGHsUFuB&index=5


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North From Here wrote:
Time to post another track that Brave Murder Day surely inspired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3k5w8rpRuM&list=PL39VVRTN4U35H8VZ43rW4IgtqCGHsUFuB&index=5


Ooh, I like this! The Finns are good at doom. You can hear the Katatonia there, but also the roots of something that the likes of Insomnium tap into nowadays. Will have to listen to the whole album...

Speaking of the Finns, curious as to your thoughts on these guys. Their newer stuff can stray a little too close to Nightwish territory for me to really love it, but this was a highlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9uAOM4DHo

(more of an interesting discussion than agreement on the older material, I think!)


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Goat wrote:
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Time to post another track that Brave Murder Day surely inspired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3k5w8rpRuM&list=PL39VVRTN4U35H8VZ43rW4IgtqCGHsUFuB&index=5


Ooh, I like this! The Finns are good at doom. You can hear the Katatonia there, but also the roots of something that the likes of Insomnium tap into nowadays. Will have to listen to the whole album...

Speaking of the Finns, curious as to your thoughts on these guys. Their newer stuff can stray a little too close to Nightwish territory for me to really love it, but this was a highlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9uAOM4DHo

(more of an interesting discussion than agreement on the older material, I think!)


Hmm, Amorphis is a band I've swung back and forth a couple times on, but I do like, not love, them overall, much like this track you posted. I own Tales from 1000 Lakes (overrated, Black Winter Day is all people remember for good reason), Elegy (just a great album, Pasi at his best), and Skyforger(heralded as the return to heavier sound, good but not great), very familiar with Tunonela(too soft for me), Karelian Isthmus (very good and a little weird debut of slow death metal), and Am Universum(Alone was a great single, don't remember anything else), and one other newer album, I think Under the Red Cloud(very good for what it was). I'm sure you have plenty of thoughts on their back catalog too?

Wrong Direction is a pleasant track: the piano break being the highlight, and Amorphis's singer reminds of the good aspects of Vintersorg. Anyway, I clicked their other video from this album (Amongst Stars) and sadly don't like Anneke on that song and could see the Nightwish comparison.

Good idea of a semi topic change: thoughts on this song and this band's back catalog? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkyniPzZiQ


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Ah interesting. I quite like the earlier stuff generally, but the later stuff has always been solid but utterly unmemorable, and I've never liked a modern album from them enough to write it up. I'd have to do a deep dive to really give you my album-by-album rating; like you said, like but not love. The newer stuff seems to come over as a poppy Borknagar-lite, even with the prog undertones. Very well-performed, of course, and I like the singer. Ah well, some things just don't click.

Edge of Sanity are obviously good, but I've never actually done that deep a dive on them. I know people worship the Crimsons and that, but compared to, say, Death, the prog aspects on what I've heard (and I can't actually remember much of what I have, suggesting that I do need to go in a bit deeper!) was good but not so memorable as to be worthy of all the praise. This track, for instance, is very good Entombed/Dismember-y swedeath, but I'm not sure I'd pick it over either of them if given the choice. Might just be that I'm more familiar with the other bands, of course.

Speaking of lesser-loved Swedeath bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP-UAA_RiWA


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Speaking of lesser-loved Swedeath bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP-UAA_RiWA


Yes, Borknagar lite is a fantastic way to put modern Amorphis. While I was listening I thought this is fine but would rather hear Borknagar.

I really don't think the Crimson albums were going for the same type of progressive sound as Death: more of a 70s throwback sound as opposed to increased technicality. I was a huge fan of them, but I haven't listened to either in a while so who knows how they hold up.

The sunlight studios sound always was solid, just most of the material was not something I'd want to revisit much, especially bands like Grave or Unleashed. Obviously Left Hand Path remains a classic, and I assume Dismember never made a bad album, but Swedish brutal death in general was not my favorite, probably because I broke into the genre with Opeth/Dark Tranquillity/Hypocrisy in Sweden and had Nile, Morbid Angel and Death in the USA.

Anyway this Carnage track was very solid, really liked the sneaky lead tone at about 3 minutes (oh, it was a very young Mike Amott!). Keeping in theme with semi-obscure Scandinavian death metal, here is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7uMVDpbIE&list=PLAEF2A78A7AFD7413


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Yes, Borknagar lite is a fantastic way to put modern Amorphis. While I was listening I thought this is fine but would rather hear Borknagar.

I really don't think the Crimson albums were going for the same type of progressive sound as Death: more of a 70s throwback sound as opposed to increased technicality. I was a huge fan of them, but I haven't listened to either in a while so who knows how they hold up.

The sunlight studios sound always was solid, just most of the material was not something I'd want to revisit much, especially bands like Grave or Unleashed. Obviously Left Hand Path remains a classic, and I assume Dismember never made a bad album, but Swedish brutal death in general was not my favorite, probably because I broke into the genre with Opeth/Dark Tranquillity/Hypocrisy in Sweden and had Nile, Morbid Angel and Death in the USA.

Anyway this Carnage track was very solid, really liked the sneaky lead tone at about 3 minutes (oh, it was a very young Mike Amott!). Keeping in theme with semi-obscure Scandinavian death metal, here is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7uMVDpbIE&list=PLAEF2A78A7AFD7413


That's probably fair re Crimson, I do need to give them another go.

I think the Swedeath sound, or whatever we're calling it, was so good that even bands ripping it off nowadays manage to sound pretty damn good. Everything I've heard from Dismember and Unleashed (and I've run through both discogs at least once over time) is excellent, and Entombed obviously started great and went somewhere different with the death n roll stuff (which isn't automatically bad, but some of those albums are definitely less good than others).

Ahh, Demigod are another example of this style, but are very good at it. Finndeath never really took off, did it? Yet every example I find seems excellent; I still need to educated myself on the early nineties rarities, but here's a more modern bunch of lads that I always liked, doing a rabid version of what Zyklon wanted, I think. Singer was (or still is) in Horna as a guitarist iirc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHT3J68EzI


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Yes, Borknagar lite is a fantastic way to put modern Amorphis. While I was listening I thought this is fine but would rather hear Borknagar.

I really don't think the Crimson albums were going for the same type of progressive sound as Death: more of a 70s throwback sound as opposed to increased technicality. I was a huge fan of them, but I haven't listened to either in a while so who knows how they hold up.

The sunlight studios sound always was solid, just most of the material was not something I'd want to revisit much, especially bands like Grave or Unleashed. Obviously Left Hand Path remains a classic, and I assume Dismember never made a bad album, but Swedish brutal death in general was not my favorite, probably because I broke into the genre with Opeth/Dark Tranquillity/Hypocrisy in Sweden and had Nile, Morbid Angel and Death in the USA.

Anyway this Carnage track was very solid, really liked the sneaky lead tone at about 3 minutes (oh, it was a very young Mike Amott!). Keeping in theme with semi-obscure Scandinavian death metal, here is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7uMVDpbIE&list=PLAEF2A78A7AFD7413


That's probably fair re Crimson, I do need to give them another go.

I think the Swedeath sound, or whatever we're calling it, was so good that even bands ripping it off nowadays manage to sound pretty damn good. Everything I've heard from Dismember and Unleashed (and I've run through both discogs at least once over time) is excellent, and Entombed obviously started great and went somewhere different with the death n roll stuff (which isn't automatically bad, but some of those albums are definitely less good than others).

Ahh, Demigod are another example of this style, but are very good at it. Finndeath never really took off, did it? Yet every example I find seems excellent; I still need to educated myself on the early nineties rarities, but here's a more modern bunch of lads that I always liked, doing a rabid version of what Zyklon wanted, I think. Singer was (or still is) in Horna as a guitarist iirc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHT3J68EzI



So Unleashed shouldn't be paired with Grave? Alright, maybe I'll give them a relisten, distinctly remember not enjoying Grave but Unleashed is fuzzy. Speaking of Finnish death, you've heard Adramelech? Nearly posted that instead of Demigod. I know everyone has heard Demilich at this point. I liked this Sotajumala here, disappointed to see they broke up. Really like the mixing in of the power chords here, seems like at some point death metal thought they were just too simple to ever use when they will always be effective in the right space imo. Good lead as well.

Happy to continue talking about death metal, but just wanted to shake it up a bit here :lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nz0t7K1prY


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TBH I'm not too up to date on Grave, so we're possibly being unfair to them, but they did seem to take the sort of b-list Malevolent Creation-esque tier last time I checked...

Have heard Adramelech, associate them with Demigod in terms of underrated Finndeath. And you threw me with Joanna Newsom, who previously I'd rejected as having too annoying a voice, but this isn't so awful, although I think, say, Joni Mitchell is a way better songwriter. Also, on a google, didn't know she'd married Andy Samberg!

While we're on female vocalists, I quite like this one; far poppier though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZvo0ZtfUw


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TBH I'm not too up to date on Grave, so we're possibly being unfair to them, but they did seem to take the sort of b-list Malevolent Creation-esque tier last time I checked...

Have heard Adramelech, associate them with Demigod in terms of underrated Finndeath. And you threw me with Joanna Newsom, who previously I'd rejected as having too annoying a voice, but this isn't so awful, although I think, say, Joni Mitchell is a way better songwriter. Also, on a google, didn't know she'd married Andy Samberg!

While we're on female vocalists, I quite like this one; far poppier though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZvo0ZtfUw


Newsom's vocals annoyed me too much on her earlier stuff as well, but thought she was tolerable here.

Nicole Atkins on the other hand has a very pleasant voice. Enjoyed the humor of the video too. Speaking of humor, normally I never pay attention to lyrics but not with this vocalist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nr1nNC3ds.


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Nicole Atkins on the other hand has a very pleasant voice. Enjoyed the humor of the video too. Speaking of humor, normally I never pay attention to lyrics but not with this vocalist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nr1nNC3ds.


Completely new to Courtney Barnett, but I'll have to investigate further! Australia is an odd place for music; you've got AC/DC and the big guns but plenty of odd little artists like this, too.

can't think of an Australian or particularly humourous singer offhand so I'll throw another female artist I quite like in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCmLjb-ocPY


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Nicole Atkins on the other hand has a very pleasant voice. Enjoyed the humor of the video too. Speaking of humor, normally I never pay attention to lyrics but not with this vocalist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nr1nNC3ds.


Completely new to Courtney Barnett, but I'll have to investigate further! Australia is an odd place for music; you've got AC/DC and the big guns but plenty of odd little artists like this, too.

can't think of an Australian or particularly humourous singer offhand so I'll throw another female artist I quite like in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCmLjb-ocPY

Yeah, the Aussies don't really get mentioned much outside of AC/DC and a few random oddities. A real shame as the Land Down Under has produced some damn excellent death metal over the years.

One of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHKWHKGBFGE

These guys only put out a few EPs back in the mid 90's, but what they did release was top notch. Mid-tempo, riff heavy death thrash that fits neatly between the likes of old school Entombed and Bolt Thrower. Just my speed.

Now you two continue on with your hipster chick rock. :wink:

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Nicole Atkins on the other hand has a very pleasant voice. Enjoyed the humor of the video too. Speaking of humor, normally I never pay attention to lyrics but not with this vocalist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nr1nNC3ds.


Completely new to Courtney Barnett, but I'll have to investigate further! Australia is an odd place for music; you've got AC/DC and the big guns but plenty of odd little artists like this, too.

can't think of an Australian or particularly humourous singer offhand so I'll throw another female artist I quite like in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCmLjb-ocPY


This Japanese Breakfast was very enjoyable except for the synthetic drum sound, which I found grating. But the washes in guitar/synth ambience plus her voice made for a very effective electonic shoegaze type of song.

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One of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHKWHKGBFGE

These guys only put out a few EPs back in the mid 90's, but what they did release was top notch. Mid-tempo, riff heavy death thrash that fits neatly between the likes of old school Entombed and Bolt Thrower. Just my speed.


Yes, takes up that space right between Entombed and Bolt Thrower, you nailed it. Great riff and very good vocals for the genre too. Sad that they didn't become a much bigger deal.

2020 death metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_1HLPKjIuQ


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I heard that new Afterbirth album and didn't really take it in, but this cut is good, nice breakdown. A lot of the more brutal tech death bands melt together for me but I'm going to give this another go.

Classic band still storming it in 2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVtC6a_YJV0


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I heard that new Afterbirth album and didn't really take it in, but this cut is good, nice breakdown. A lot of the more brutal tech death bands melt together for me but I'm going to give this another go.

Classic band still storming it in 2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVtC6a_YJV0


I think Afterbirth go in some interesting directions later in the album as well: particularly the spacey/melodic one on Black Hole Kaleidoscope. The vocals could be less bland, but the instrumentals aren't bland, which I find very hard to do in the brutal tech genre in 2020.

Woah, Vader is still kicking it? I'm stunned. Thoughts on their discog at large? De Profundis and Litany stand out for me but apparently I've missed out on a ton of their recent albums. This track sounds like Vader, which is pretty good.

From the Reba Meyersverse of recommendations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob6y1mmILfc favorite track on the album is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9mdFzD0qs but might be blocked in your country so I linked the video first. 4 minutes combined.


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