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Author:  Rhys [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Should the Velvet Cacoon review be deleted?

Well, now that it was found out to be stolen music, should "How the Last Day and Stayed Then Faded Into Simulated Rain" be removed? And possibly replaced by a review by the real artist Korouva?

Sorry Misha :wink: You could review the real one though :wink:

Author:  Goat [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Should the Velvet Cacoon review be deleted?

following the reaper wrote:
Well, now that it was found out to be stolen music, should "How the Last Day and Stayed Then Faded Into Simulated Rain" be removed? And possibly replaced by a review by the real artist Korouva?

Sorry Misha :wink: You could review the real one though :wink:


I missed the whole WOMFG! thing. Can someone summarize the points, for me?

Author:  Rhys [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:22 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Well, now that it was found out to be stolen music, should "How the Last Day and Stayed Then Faded Into Simulated Rain" be removed? And possibly replaced by a review by the real artist Korouva?

Sorry Misha :wink: You could review the real one though :wink:


I missed the whole WOMFG! thing. Can someone summarize the points, for me?


Thanks to archives:

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Velvet Cacoon's shoegazer / psych-folk recordings were stolen albums. "How the Last Day Came and Stayed then Faded into Simulated Rain" demo was almost completely stolen from Korouva's "Shipwrecks & Russian Roulette". Korouva's album has 10 tracks, while VC's demo has 9, though two tracks that can be found in Korouva's Myspace are not in VC's demo. The "Dizzy from Eternity" demo is in fact My Violent Ego's "Clicks & Hisses".

Message from Miranda Lehman aka Korouva: "To the fans of Velvet Cacoon: It has recently come to my attention that the band Velvet Cacoon has not only STOLEN artwork and photos on their website from other artists but also their ENTIRE album, "How the last day came and stayed then faded into simulated rain". This "highly elusive" demo album is actually the property of another musician named Miranda Lehman, aka Korouva. The album's real name is Shipwrecks & Russian Roulette and has been sold through the website 16sparrows since February of 2005, before the release of the Velvet Cacoon Demo. Tracks from Korouva's album were also posted on her Livejournal, in working form, long before any Velvet Cacoon release. When Confronted with these accusations, Velvet Cacoon deleted their official Myspace music page which contained stolen tracks and artwork from Miranda. You can see that they link to their myspace page on their official site and that the myspace page has been deleted.
http://www.velvetcacoon.com/news/. Their main myspace fan page contains stolen illustration and music as well: "lilac wine, black leaves and me" (real name, "Tide") and also the illustration of a girl with a ship that goes along with the song. http://www.myspace.com/velvetcacoon. Korouva's own myspace page is here, where she also links to 16sparrows http://myspace.com/korouva. I am sorry to all the devoted fans who have been deceived by Velvet Cacoon, their blatant theft of another artist's work is absolutely unforgivable."

Note: VC' song "Chesapeake Tide" is Korouva's "Tide", not "Lilac Wine, Black Leaves and me"

Josh's message taken from their google e-group (Which was deleted on August 21/22):
"And on the subject of Velvet Cacoon, the band is a total fraud. Nothing about it holds any importance. The "How the Last Day" demo isn't even us. It's Miranda Lehman from Portland. (check the Wiki site). "Dizzy" isn't us. It's "My Violent Ego". Nothing is us. "Northsuite" was recorded in 3 hours and sold to a fake label who paid us enough for rent and substances. That's why its so terrible. We're utter bastards. We have no respect for anything. Now we're beginning the campaign to show just what we've done. We are walking examples of what far too many drugs will do. They make you crave havoc. They make you want to turn the world upside down while laughing like a maniac.

And now the soft afterglow sets in. VC is winding down. One last album. One final collection. And the damn thing isn't even recorded yet. Maybe we'll just steal it too. I must tell you that our correspondence will not continue much longer. I'm going to make a clean break - you'll know when the moment hits. You'll know exactly what I mean too.

First, I must convince the world that I am nothing special or intelligent, nor was Velvet Cacoon. If there was discussion about us before, I can only imagine what is about to come.

Feel free to spread this letter."


Yep, the recent VC albums were stolen.

Author:  ganeshaRules [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:25 pm ]
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I vote keep it... but editing it to reflect this note... and who the real artist is... Not sure if it's possible to do with a review, but the review is soo good to stay here.

Author:  Goat [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:26 pm ]
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Things like this are the reason I lost interest in Black Metal. How is this in any way funny or 'artistic'? I say yes, remove it. Goddamn bedroom elitists. Gorgoroth and Mayhem all the way, baby!

Author:  CĂș Chulainn [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:41 pm ]
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reeeeemove the reeeeeeview!

Author:  Radagast [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:47 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
Things like this are the reason I lost interest in Black Metal. How is this in any way funny or 'artistic'? I say yes, remove it. Goddamn bedroom elitists. Gorgoroth and Mayhem all the way, baby!

Its pretty obvious to me that they're just a joke band that were seeig how long they could get away with what they were doing for. It also goes to show some people will listen to anything if you build up enough of a mystique around it. Obviously this doesn't apply to Misha, but I've got to lol at the amount of Black Metal fans that were praising these releases when they would never have even conisdered doing so if they had known who had actually recorded them.

Author:  Rhys [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:53 pm ]
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Radagast wrote:
Zad wrote:
Things like this are the reason I lost interest in Black Metal. How is this in any way funny or 'artistic'? I say yes, remove it. Goddamn bedroom elitists. Gorgoroth and Mayhem all the way, baby!

Its pretty obvious to me that they're just a joke band that were seeig how long they could get away with what they were doing for. It also goes to show some people will listen to anything if you build up enough of a mystique around it. Obviously this doesn't apply to Misha, but I've got to lol at the amount of Black Metal fans that were praising these releases when they would never have even conisdered doing so if they had known who had actually recorded them.


I still listened to Genevieve today, and i do want to get my hands on the real releases. The Korouva one is actually better as the production is not fucking shit like the VC rip-off.

Author:  Eternal Idol [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:26 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
Things like this are the reason I lost interest in Black Metal. How is this in any way funny or 'artistic'? I say yes, remove it. Goddamn bedroom elitists. Gorgoroth and Mayhem all the way, baby!


The album in question isn't Black Metal, it's shoegazer. They haven't made any BM in quite some time now.

Author:  Misha [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:25 pm ]
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It's not shoegazer, I don't know who told you.


I'll order the real release and make a few changes in the review so it applies to the real album, which is a lot longer. So the name VC will be removed, although I might mention them. I'll just make it the review for the album that it's supposed to be. Agreed?

Author:  Azrael [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:57 pm ]
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gee, that was lame. assholes.

Author:  Misha [ Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:10 pm ]
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Crap, it's sold out, I'll try to get it someway or another...

Author:  Rhys [ Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:44 am ]
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Misha wrote:
It's not shoegazer, I don't know who told you.


I'll order the real release and make a few changes in the review so it applies to the real album, which is a lot longer. So the name VC will be removed, although I might mention them. I'll just make it the review for the album that it's supposed to be. Agreed?


That would be cool :)

Author:  Goat [ Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:35 am ]
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Eternal Idol wrote:
Zad wrote:
Things like this are the reason I lost interest in Black Metal. How is this in any way funny or 'artistic'? I say yes, remove it. Goddamn bedroom elitists. Gorgoroth and Mayhem all the way, baby!


The album in question isn't Black Metal, it's shoegazer. They haven't made any BM in quite some time now.


Yes, but they belong in that area, have that 'fuck the universe' mentality.

Author:  Kathaarian [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:47 am ]
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I never really liked this band. So I'm not feeling like an ass right now. Unlike some people. LAWL! :wink:

Author:  Misha [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:28 pm ]
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Kathaarian wrote:
I never really liked this band. So I'm not feeling like an ass right now. Unlike some people. LAWL! :wink:

Well, certainly not me, my credit just goes to the original artist.

Author:  Rhys [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:43 am ]
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Kathaarian wrote:
I never really liked this band. So I'm not feeling like an ass right now. Unlike some people. LAWL! :wink:


Genevieve is real, and thats the one i really like. Otherwise im the same as Misha, credit just goes to those who really wrote it.

Author:  Azrael [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:45 pm ]
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i can't believe these guys. first is that "diesl harp" thing, and now this. it's like all their BS was just a way for them to get their animal-rights/assexual message across.

Author:  Eternal Idol [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:05 pm ]
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Azrael wrote:
i can't believe these guys. first is that "diesl harp" thing, and now this. it's like all their BS was just a way for them to get their animal-rights/assexual message across.


They weren't even serious about that stuff. They are apparently just a bunch of burnouts with way too much time on their hands.

I do have to give them credit for the diesel harp thing though. There were so many people who actually bought into it. A tremendous prank, I must say.

Author:  Eyesore [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:54 pm ]
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I think all mention of this "band" should be removed from the site.

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