stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
It gets worse....
Indeed.
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| Author: | SilkCrimsonMoon [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:47 pm ] |
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I know it's three years old but what did you guys think of the documentary? I thought it was okay but they could have interviewed more people like Ihsahn, Trym, and Grutle from Enslaved in it too to give it more dimension and also have an educated narrative in it as well. In any case, what do you think about the whole church burning movement in general and the other side stories that came along with it? I liked how they interviewed Garm and he was kind of obscure in his explanation at the end of his words. I think it was sort of one sided and they should have interviewed more people from the side of the case whom were not involved in the whole movement at all (like the people mentioned above, although Fenriz was a good example). I also think it definitely was a kind of documentary that obviously needed a good background in knowing what the BM scene was going through at that point and time and also the specifics of the dramas. I had bought the Lords of Chaos book about five-six years ago so there wasn't anything new in it for me, though, worth the watch. |
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| Author: | Whim [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:53 am ] |
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I enjoyed a lot of the stuff from Varg's perspective, because you don't always get that side of the information when it comes to the early community. |
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| Author: | metalladdd [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:04 am ] |
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The whole church burning thing was despicable. I haven't seen the documentary you are talking about, but what was the main reason they did it? Boredom? Trying to build badass metal cred? Were they too cold? Were they upset that Christianity had overtaken whatever religion their great great great great great great great great grandparents practiced? |
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| Author: | SilkCrimsonMoon [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:59 pm ] |
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metalladdd wrote: The whole church burning thing was despicable. I haven't seen the documentary you are talking about, but what was the main reason they did it? Boredom? Trying to build badass metal cred? Were they too cold? Were they upset that Christianity had overtaken whatever religion their great great great great great great great great grandparents practiced?
One thing that is clear is that it wasn't anything to do with Satanism. I suppose the main reason was that they wanted a revolution not for the love of destruction but for the love of new grounds built on Odin and Norse Mythology that was there a long time ago. The hatred that was built towards Christianity and a freedom that was lost and the culture that once Norway had had all added up to these acts. Varg was a follower of Nietzsche and a lot of the other people involved too were also very influenced by him. He had said to make a change one must first become ashes. I guess they literally wanted to do that. In an art form that was showed in this documentary it said no one asked Jesus to sacrifice himself. All these mentalities had added up towards these acts, I suspect. |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:16 pm ] |
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metalladdd wrote: The whole church burning thing was despicable. I haven't seen the documentary you are talking about, but what was the main reason they did it? Boredom? Trying to build badass metal cred? Were they too cold? Were they upset that Christianity had overtaken whatever religion their great great great great great great great great grandparents practiced?
I'd be pretty pissed off too if a virus religion uprooted my ancestors, killed off my people, and turned them into a weak mess of passive aggressive mush-oh wait thats already happened. I only regret that they didn't burn more, are you possed off because they were "historical landmarks"? Hah |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:33 pm ] |
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Yeah, Christianity has never destroyed priceless, ancient cultural landmarks in order to spread.... Yeah, no one was harmed in the church burnings so don't see where the harm was to be honest. Yeah, it sucks that the landmarks were lost but those landmarks represented a lot. |
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| Author: | SilkCrimsonMoon [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:34 pm ] |
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Let's face it... Religion has always been a way to control. Hence the rules and regulations... The brain washes... Fear of God... etc, etc. |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:38 pm ] |
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Trapt's all for government control |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:41 pm ] |
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stevelovesmoonspell wrote: Trapt's all for government control I'm closer to anarchism than most conservatives.
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:43 pm ] |
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traptunderice wrote: stevelovesmoonspell wrote: Trapt's all for government control I'm closer to anarchism than most conservatives.That's because anarchy is not what true conservatives want. You and your ilk always seem to have a problem discerning between minarchy and anarchy. So why is Ron Paul wrong? Care to explain? |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:50 pm ] |
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cry of the banshee wrote: traptunderice wrote: stevelovesmoonspell wrote: Trapt's all for government control I'm closer to anarchism than most conservatives.That's because anarchy is not what true conservatives want. You and your ilk always seem to have a problem discerning between minarchy and anarchy. |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:58 pm ] |
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traptunderice wrote: cry of the banshee wrote: traptunderice wrote: stevelovesmoonspell wrote: Trapt's all for government control I'm closer to anarchism than most conservatives.That's because anarchy is not what true conservatives want. You and your ilk always seem to have a problem discerning between minarchy and anarchy. You were still incorrect. I honestly don't know if you are intentionally trying to frame things to suit your agenda, or just that ignorant. |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:03 pm ] |
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cry of the banshee wrote: traptunderice wrote: cry of the banshee wrote: traptunderice wrote: stevelovesmoonspell wrote: Trapt's all for government control I'm closer to anarchism than most conservatives.That's because anarchy is not what true conservatives want. You and your ilk always seem to have a problem discerning between minarchy and anarchy. You were still incorrect. I honestly don't know if you are intentionally trying to frame things to suit your agenda, or just that ignorant. |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:42 pm ] |
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traptunderice wrote: cry of the banshee wrote: traptunderice wrote: cry of the banshee wrote: traptunderice wrote: stevelovesmoonspell wrote: Trapt's all for government control I'm closer to anarchism than most conservatives.That's because anarchy is not what true conservatives want. You and your ilk always seem to have a problem discerning between minarchy and anarchy. You were still incorrect. I honestly don't know if you are intentionally trying to frame things to suit your agenda, or just that ignorant. The way you use terms like "anarchy" when describing consrevatives, when anybody with a brain that is functional beyond that of a beetle knows that true conservatism is about limited government, not "no government at all". You know this, so why fuck around? |
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| Author: | noodles [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:17 pm ] |
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trapt never said that conservatives want anarchy, he was making a point that he wants less government control than most conservatives. |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:44 pm ] |
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noodles wrote: trapt never said that conservatives want anarchy, he was making a point that he wants less government control than most conservatives.
No, it was implied that conservatives are anarchists (the thraedbare claim from the left that conservatives are against government), by saying that he is more of an anarchist than most conservatives, otherwise why even mention it? Either way, it is incorrect, as he wants MORE government control... have you not been paying attention? |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:19 pm ] |
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noodles wrote: trapt never said that conservatives want anarchy, he was making a point that he wants less government control than most conservatives. Exactly what I meant. If I simpy said I want less govt control than most conservatives than you wouldn't believe me as you are doing now so why did I even bother.
Obviously I would make threadbare claims that conservatives want a government to protect their property rights and to wage war and kill shit. Thanks for telling me what I want. What I want is radical democracy. Given that capitalism still exists, government is a way of alleviating the burden put on families by the mechanisms of capitalism; hence until capitalism dissolves, govt serves a purpose in my opinion. Hell, cut public funding and I'll just try to organize harder but in the meantime a lot of people are going to not get the medication they need or be able to put food on the table and that would be a pity. But community organizing would alleviate that in time and make possible the democracy I do want. What a conundrum... |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:38 pm ] |
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It gets worse.... |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:41 pm ] |
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How about those church burnings? Love the video of Ihsahn talking with MTV Norway and walking over the ashes. Question to people from Norway, i.e., Tom, how do people from Norway generally feel about the church burnings and black metal in the light of the church burnings? |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:15 pm ] |
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stevelovesmoonspell wrote: It gets worse....
Indeed.
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