Mixed Martial Arts... Any Fans?

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:28 pm

I'd actually give Kimbo a better shot to win that fight than against Roy. Ortiz hates to trade and get hit, and he never sets up his takedowns.

Plus I think Kimbo would probably do better against LHW guys where he's up against people his own size. Not saying he'd win, but I think he'd definitely have a better shot to do so.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:31 pm

The Evil Dead wrote:

I'd actually give Kimbo a better shot to win that fight than against Roy. Ortiz hates to trade and get hit, and he never sets up his takedowns.

Plus I think Kimbo would probably do better against LHW guys where he's up against people his own size. Not saying he'd win, but I think he'd definitely have a better shot to do so.

I don't know. LHW is actually a tougher division, and they have some top notch wrestlers.
It's all moot anyway, he won't last longer than the novelty of his name.

Still, I'm disspaointed so far in this TUF; UFC needs some HW's, I hope that there is more talent than what we've been treated to so far.

So, who would you pair him up with in the LHW div.?

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Satan's Anus wrote:

Let's go.

cry of the banshee wrote:

Here's the thing about Kimbo-

On the one hand, I respect anybody that has the willingness to train hard and learn (though Bas Rutten may have something to say about that) and the cojones to step into a ring, octagon, whatever...

Dumb. I'm sure you do respect him, considering how you went on to trash him numerous times after this comment. Very "respectful." Haha.

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on the other hand, there comes a time when an honest self-assessment needs to happen in every man's life; Kimbo (to anyone with half a brain, at least) has no future in the UFC. Period.
Mediocre striking, glass chin, a ground game that makes a corpse look animated... he has been training MMA for some years now. If he can't even pull guard at this stage, he really should re-evaluate his career options

Dumb. What does this guy have to re-evaluate here? He's making the most of what opportunities he's been given, the same thing any self-respecting, intelligent human being does. You know, making lemonade out of lemons.

But fuck that! Kimbo isn't skilled enough at MMA, so he should just quit now. Who cares if he's making money and whatnot; he's got a future as a bouncer.

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Which brings me to yet another point; he has, what, six or seven kids?
Does this guy have anything other than being a bodyguard or a bouncer to fall back on? And, even so, maybe only for another ten years, then what?

Dumb. Then what? Then maybe he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work, that he can retire, give those six or seven kids a better future. Holy fuck! That's stupid.

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He's a fucking dumbass that got famous beating up other drunken idiots in back alleys via youtube, he really doesn't deserve any respect, other than his giving the effort.

Dumb. I thought you respected him for having the balls to fight? Now he's a dumbass for actually taking something like back-yard brawling and turning it into a successful career, one that deserves no respect? Oh, except for the effort of course.

But wait...you respect the effort he's putting forth yet insist he re-evaluates what he's doing because he has no future in the UFC! Well, maybe only for another 10 years or so. Hell, that's no future at all, especially when he's making a shit-ton of money.

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And I certainly won't shell out 50 clams to watch him be humiliated on any PPV.

His imminent downfall in MMA will, if he isn't a complete meathead, be a wake-up slap in the face. He ain't getting any younger, after all.

Dumb. A wake-up slap in the face? You act like he's delusional, thinking he's something he's not. Yet right there on TUF, he said, "I don't do MMA; I'm a fighter." Must not have heard that, huh? Or maybe you chose to ignore it to justify your silly tantrum.

Kimbo knows what kind of fighter he is; he knows exactly what he's doing. The dumbass back-yard brawler you insist he is would never have created so many opportunities from those YouTube videos. He's just a guy making the best out of life, doing so in an apparently very honest manner, and you trash him for it.

You, my friend, are a dummy and have been schooled yet again by the almighty Satan's Anus. Does it burn?

Sad and pathetic.
You done? Feel better about yourself?
I actually feel sorry for you.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:05 pm

The Evil Dead wrote:

Satan's Anus wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

If nelson is so unimpressive, how did he manage to make your boy Slice look like a fool?

Because Kimbo sucks on the ground. Shocking, huh? If I went to the local elementary school and a kicked a girl in the pussy chops, would you be impressed? Because apparently you're impressed by fighters that beat other fighters that they totally should outclass and beat easily.

They guy has been training MMA for 3 years, if not longer now. He should have a well rounded enough game to handle takedowns from just about anyone but say pure wrestlers in his division, and even then he should be game.

Bas Rutten said he was impossible to train and they parted ways, due to the attitude of Kimbo. Not saying Rutten is the best MMA trainer in the world, but that gives me an inkling as to how dedicated Kimbo is to truly learning the game and improving.

His takedown defense against Roy looked improved, but on the ground he was lost.

This.
His TD defense may have improved, but it wasn't enough to stop a very out of shape Nelson (not to take away from his BJJ) from doing with him as he pleased, at leisure.
And that's the whole rub of it: He's 35, has been training for some years already, Rutten has said he is not trainable, yet he is somehow allowed to try out for a spot amongst UFC HW's...I don't blame the dude for making a cash grab, but the whole thing is a joke. Hell, Nelson deserves a spot on the UFC roster moer than Ferguson. If he could get into shape, drop down a weight class, he'd have potential.

But, I guess we'll have to wait and see what the rest of the season has in store.
I thought Madsden was pretty impressive, he really worked Big Abe over pretty good. So far the best fight.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:00 pm

Satan's Anus wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Satan's Anus wrote:

Let's go.

cry of the banshee wrote:

Here's the thing about Kimbo-

On the one hand, I respect anybody that has the willingness to train hard and learn (though Bas Rutten may have something to say about that) and the cojones to step into a ring, octagon, whatever...

Dumb. I'm sure you do respect him, considering how you went on to trash him numerous times after this comment. Very "respectful." Haha.

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on the other hand, there comes a time when an honest self-assessment needs to happen in every man's life; Kimbo (to anyone with half a brain, at least) has no future in the UFC. Period.
Mediocre striking, glass chin, a ground game that makes a corpse look animated... he has been training MMA for some years now. If he can't even pull guard at this stage, he really should re-evaluate his career options

Dumb. What does this guy have to re-evaluate here? He's making the most of what opportunities he's been given, the same thing any self-respecting, intelligent human being does. You know, making lemonade out of lemons.

But fuck that! Kimbo isn't skilled enough at MMA, so he should just quit now. Who cares if he's making money and whatnot; he's got a future as a bouncer.

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Which brings me to yet another point; he has, what, six or seven kids?
Does this guy have anything other than being a bodyguard or a bouncer to fall back on? And, even so, maybe only for another ten years, then what?

Dumb. Then what? Then maybe he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work, that he can retire, give those six or seven kids a better future. Holy fuck! That's stupid.

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He's a fucking dumbass that got famous beating up other drunken idiots in back alleys via youtube, he really doesn't deserve any respect, other than his giving the effort.

Dumb. I thought you respected him for having the balls to fight? Now he's a dumbass for actually taking something like back-yard brawling and turning it into a successful career, one that deserves no respect? Oh, except for the effort of course.

But wait...you respect the effort he's putting forth yet insist he re-evaluates what he's doing because he has no future in the UFC! Well, maybe only for another 10 years or so. Hell, that's no future at all, especially when he's making a shit-ton of money.

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And I certainly won't shell out 50 clams to watch him be humiliated on any PPV.

His imminent downfall in MMA will, if he isn't a complete meathead, be a wake-up slap in the face. He ain't getting any younger, after all.

Dumb. A wake-up slap in the face? You act like he's delusional, thinking he's something he's not. Yet right there on TUF, he said, "I don't do MMA; I'm a fighter." Must not have heard that, huh? Or maybe you chose to ignore it to justify your silly tantrum.

Kimbo knows what kind of fighter he is; he knows exactly what he's doing. The dumbass back-yard brawler you insist he is would never have created so many opportunities from those YouTube videos. He's just a guy making the best out of life, doing so in an apparently very honest manner, and you trash him for it.

You, my friend, are a dummy and have been schooled yet again by the almighty Satan's Anus. Does it burn?

Sad and pathetic.
You done? Feel better about yourself?
I actually feel sorry for you.

Yeah, roll your eyes; you think you come across all high-toned, but you only manage to come across as a small insecure little man and I am actually embarassed for you.
Sad, really.

Like I said, you have been relegated to ignore status.

Goat · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:05 pm

It upsets me to see vital MR forumites like you two going at each other, I must beg that you keep it civil, bec-

Ah, fuck it, too entertaining to stop. Not that any rational person knows just W.T.F you're on about, but when did that stop great art from being created.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:08 pm

Goat wrote:

It upsets me to see vital MR forumites like you two going at each other, I must beg that you keep it civil, bec-

Ah, fuck it, too entertaining to stop. Not that any rational person knows just W.T.F you're on about, but when did that stop great art from being created.

Nah, count me out..

I played the sucker for that bullshit once, won't happen again.

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Yeah, roll your eyes; you think you come across all high-toned, but you only manage to come across as a small insecure little man and I am actually embarassed for you.
Sad, really.

I don't think I come across as anything but honest, really. I'm no MMA expert, but I do have the balls to back up my opinions. Because my opinions actually mean something to me, unlike with someone like you, who is just talking nonsense.

What's so sad about what I posted? What makes me seem so insecure? We were having a discussion about Kimbo, one that you seemed to have no issue discussing until you realized that your very own words painted you into a corner. Then, of course, you do the standard Internet switch-up and act like you're taking the high road, not going to continue entertaining a sad and insecure man.

That is, of course, typical nonsense from someone talking out of there ass. Internet or not.

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Like I said, you have been relegated to ignore status.

I see that. :rolleyes:

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Goat wrote:

It upsets me to see vital MR forumites like you two going at each other, I must beg that you keep it civil, bec-

Ah, fuck it, too entertaining to stop. Not that any rational person knows just W.T.F you're on about, but when did that stop great art from being created.

Nah, count me out..

I played the sucker for that bullshit once, won't happen again.

You actually got beat at your own game. You suckered yourself.

And settle down, Zad.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:54 pm

It's actually quite funny. I never knew that Kimbo had so many secret admirers... honestly the way they carry on, getting their panties all in a wad, you'd think that they were in love with the guy, or something.
There's a certain... what's the word I'm looking for?
Ahh, yes passion in their defense of the man-boy Kimbo.
Visit any MMA forum, and it's all there, all the groupies coming out of the... woodwork? Or is it a closet? How else to explain all the support? He can't fight worth a damn.

:lol:

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

It's actually quite funny. I never knew that Kimbo had so many secret admirers... honestly the way they carry on, getting their panties all in a wad, you'd think that they were in love with the guy, or something. Visit any MMA forum, and it's all there, all the groupies coming out of the... woodwork? Or is it a closet? How else to explain all the support? He can't fight worth a damn.

:lol:

I hope you're not lumping me in with that group. If so, you should go back and read my comments.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:24 pm

Complexes are a funny thing.
And they can tell us so much about a person.

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Complexes are a funny thing.
And they can tell us so much about a person.

You're a retard.

Just saying.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:35 pm

Another thing I noticed about Kimbo's admirers:
they make it personal, as if not only is their heart throb under fire, they themselves are. When confronted with criticism of their latest man-crush, they say things like "you're a retard", as if that is the height of insult... Bravissimo! you are now up to the third grade level of put downs... whats next? Yo' mama?
It's kinda cute, in it's own special way.

:lol:

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Another thing I noticed about Kimbo's admirers:
they make it personal, as if not only is their heart throb under fire, they themselves are. When confronted with criticism of their latest man-crush, they say things like "you're a retard", as if that is the height of insult... Bravissimo! you are now up to the third grade level of put downs... whats next? Yo' mama?
It's kinda cute, in it's own special way.

:lol:

The funny thing about all of of this, is that I am no Kimbo admirer. By MMA standards, he's a turd, and I've called him such all along. What I won't do is nonsensically trash the guy like you have.

It's unfortunate that you're still, after all these years, too much of a baby to defend your own opinion. You're in High Road/Spin Mode now. Must be dizzying.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:54 pm

Satan's Anus wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Another thing I noticed about Kimbo's admirers:
they make it personal, as if not only is their heart throb under fire, they themselves are. When confronted with criticism of their latest man-crush, they say things like "you're a retard", as if that is the height of insult... Bravissimo! you are now up to the third grade level of put downs... whats next? Yo' mama?
It's kinda cute, in it's own special way.

:lol:

The funny thing about all of of this, is that I am no Kimbo admirer. By MMA standards, he's a turd, and I've called him such all along. What I won't do is nonsensically trash the guy like you have.

It's unfortunate that you're still, after all these years, too much of a baby to defend your own opinion. You're in High Road/Spin Mode now. Must be dizzying.

Who's crying?
Don't flatter yourself, I find you utterly hilarious.
I made my point, you obviously disagree, but you had to make it personal. Stop playing innocent, I've been here long enough to know your M.O. which consists of, among other things, insults, then when they are reciprocated, offense on your part, and when confronted with your own words, stating "That's not what I said / meant / etc." ...it's boring, and is a complete exercise in futility.

Alas, you are not really worth the time, so go fuck yourself.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:03 am

Satan's Anus wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Another thing I noticed about Kimbo's admirers:
they make it personal, as if not only is their heart throb under fire, they themselves are. When confronted with criticism of their latest man-crush, they say things like "you're a retard", as if that is the height of insult... Bravissimo! you are now up to the third grade level of put downs... whats next? Yo' mama?
It's kinda cute, in it's own special way.

:lol:

The funny thing about all of of this, is that I am no Kimbo admirer. By MMA standards, he's a turd, and I've called him such all along. What I won't do is nonsensically trash the guy like you have.

I will address this though:

I stated my opinion of the guy, countering all the bullshit hype of what a great guy he is, so humble and all that; am I the only one not fooled by the magic of TV editing?
He's nothing more than a thug. And why is calling a spade a spade "nonsensically trashing the guy" but praising him as if he were a saint not " nonsensically praising" the guy ?
See, you had to make it personal, and the funniest part of all of this is WE AGREE HE HAS AT BEST LIMITED FIGHTING SKILLS!!!
So WTF are we arguing about?

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Who's crying?
Don't flatter yourself, I find you utterly hilarious.
I made my point, you obviously disagree, but you had to make it personal. Stop playing innocent, I've been here long enough to know your M.O. which consists of, among other things, insults, then when they are reciprocated, offense on your part, and when confronted with your own words, stating "That's not what I said / meant / etc." ...it's boring, and is a complete exercise in futility.

Alas, you are not really worth the time, so go fuck yourself.

When confronted with my own words? Isn't that what I did to you, right before you took the proverbial high road? Haha. Like I said, you can insult me all you want. Being a genius, you should be able to understand my comment above about your backhanded insult was not me taking offense but me pointing out that it's your way of deflecting the fact that I made you look like a clown. Or, to be more accurate, used your own words to make you look like a clown.

I thought you had me on ignore? By the way, if I'm so wrong here, refute this:

Satan's Anus wrote:

Let's go.

cry of the banshee wrote:

Here's the thing about Kimbo-

On the one hand, I respect anybody that has the willingness to train hard and learn (though Bas Rutten may have something to say about that) and the cojones to step into a ring, octagon, whatever...

Dumb. I'm sure you do respect him, considering how you went on to trash him numerous times after this comment. Very "respectful." Haha.

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on the other hand, there comes a time when an honest self-assessment needs to happen in every man's life; Kimbo (to anyone with half a brain, at least) has no future in the UFC. Period.
Mediocre striking, glass chin, a ground game that makes a corpse look animated... he has been training MMA for some years now. If he can't even pull guard at this stage, he really should re-evaluate his career options

Dumb. What does this guy have to re-evaluate here? He's making the most of what opportunities he's been given, the same thing any self-respecting, intelligent human being does. You know, making lemonade out of lemons.

But fuck that! Kimbo isn't skilled enough at MMA, so he should just quit now. Who cares if he's making money and whatnot; he's got a future as a bouncer.

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Which brings me to yet another point; he has, what, six or seven kids?
Does this guy have anything other than being a bodyguard or a bouncer to fall back on? And, even so, maybe only for another ten years, then what?

Dumb. Then what? Then maybe he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work, that he can retire, give those six or seven kids a better future. Holy fuck! That's stupid.

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He's a fucking dumbass that got famous beating up other drunken idiots in back alleys via youtube, he really doesn't deserve any respect, other than his giving the effort.

Dumb. I thought you respected him for having the balls to fight? Now he's a dumbass for actually taking something like back-yard brawling and turning it into a successful career, one that deserves no respect? Oh, except for the effort of course.

But wait...you respect the effort he's putting forth yet insist he re-evaluates what he's doing because he has no future in the UFC! Well, maybe only for another 10 years or so. Hell, that's no future at all, especially when he's making a shit-ton of money.

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And I certainly won't shell out 50 clams to watch him be humiliated on any PPV.

His imminent downfall in MMA will, if he isn't a complete meathead, be a wake-up slap in the face. He ain't getting any younger, after all.

Dumb. A wake-up slap in the face? You act like he's delusional, thinking he's something he's not. Yet right there on TUF, he said, "I don't do MMA; I'm a fighter." Must not have heard that, huh? Or maybe you chose to ignore it to justify your silly tantrum.

Kimbo knows what kind of fighter he is; he knows exactly what he's doing. The dumbass back-yard brawler you insist he is would never have created so many opportunities from those YouTube videos. He's just a guy making the best out of life, doing so in an apparently very honest manner, and you trash him for it.

You, my friend, are a dummy and have been schooled yet again by the almighty Satan's Anus. Does it burn?

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

cry of the banshee wrote:

Satan's Anus wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Another thing I noticed about Kimbo's admirers:
they make it personal, as if not only is their heart throb under fire, they themselves are. When confronted with criticism of their latest man-crush, they say things like "you're a retard", as if that is the height of insult... Bravissimo! you are now up to the third grade level of put downs... whats next? Yo' mama?
It's kinda cute, in it's own special way.

:lol:

The funny thing about all of of this, is that I am no Kimbo admirer. By MMA standards, he's a turd, and I've called him such all along. What I won't do is nonsensically trash the guy like you have.

I will address this though:

I stated my opinion of the guy, countering all the bullshit hype of what a great guy he is, so humble and all that; am I the only one not fooled by the magic of TV editing?
He's nothing more than a thug. And why is calling a spade a spade "nonsensically trashing the guy" but praising him as if he were a saint not " nonsensically praising" the guy ?
See, you had to make it personal, and the funniest part of all of this is WE AGREE HE HAS AT BEST LIMITED FIGHTING SKILLS!!!
So WTF are we arguing about?

Editing? Kimbo has been around far longer than this season of TUF. I've never seen him acting like a thug. If his more--how you say?--urban personality is what you insist makes him a thug, I'd insist you're probably a racist (nice choice of words with "calling a spade a spade," by the way). He's black. Shocking that he'll actually look/speak/act in a manner indicative of that community.

You'll have to point out where I called him a saint, too. I must have blacked out.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:14 am

Satan's Anus wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Who's crying?
Don't flatter yourself, I find you utterly hilarious.
I made my point, you obviously disagree, but you had to make it personal. Stop playing innocent, I've been here long enough to know your M.O. which consists of, among other things, insults, then when they are reciprocated, offense on your part, and when confronted with your own words, stating "That's not what I said / meant / etc." ...it's boring, and is a complete exercise in futility.

Alas, you are not really worth the time, so go fuck yourself.

When confronted with my own words? Isn't that what I did to you, right before you took the proverbial high road? Haha. Like I said, you can insult me all you want. Being a genius, you should be able to understand my comment above about your backhanded insult was not me taking offense but me pointing out that it's your way of deflecting the fact that I made you look like a clown. Or, to be more accurate, used your own words to make you look like a clown.

I thought you had me on ignore? By the way, if I'm so wrong here, refute this:

Satan's Anus wrote:

Let's go.

cry of the banshee wrote:

Here's the thing about Kimbo-

On the one hand, I respect anybody that has the willingness to train hard and learn (though Bas Rutten may have something to say about that) and the cojones to step into a ring, octagon, whatever...

Dumb. I'm sure you do respect him, considering how you went on to trash him numerous times after this comment. Very "respectful." Haha.

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on the other hand, there comes a time when an honest self-assessment needs to happen in every man's life; Kimbo (to anyone with half a brain, at least) has no future in the UFC. Period.
Mediocre striking, glass chin, a ground game that makes a corpse look animated... he has been training MMA for some years now. If he can't even pull guard at this stage, he really should re-evaluate his career options

Dumb. What does this guy have to re-evaluate here? He's making the most of what opportunities he's been given, the same thing any self-respecting, intelligent human being does. You know, making lemonade out of lemons.

But fuck that! Kimbo isn't skilled enough at MMA, so he should just quit now. Who cares if he's making money and whatnot; he's got a future as a bouncer.

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Which brings me to yet another point; he has, what, six or seven kids?
Does this guy have anything other than being a bodyguard or a bouncer to fall back on? And, even so, maybe only for another ten years, then what?

Dumb. Then what? Then maybe he's made enough money that he doesn't have to work, that he can retire, give those six or seven kids a better future. Holy fuck! That's stupid.

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He's a fucking dumbass that got famous beating up other drunken idiots in back alleys via youtube, he really doesn't deserve any respect, other than his giving the effort.

Dumb. I thought you respected him for having the balls to fight? Now he's a dumbass for actually taking something like back-yard brawling and turning it into a successful career, one that deserves no respect? Oh, except for the effort of course.

But wait...you respect the effort he's putting forth yet insist he re-evaluates what he's doing because he has no future in the UFC! Well, maybe only for another 10 years or so. Hell, that's no future at all, especially when he's making a shit-ton of money.

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And I certainly won't shell out 50 clams to watch him be humiliated on any PPV.

His imminent downfall in MMA will, if he isn't a complete meathead, be a wake-up slap in the face. He ain't getting any younger, after all.

Dumb. A wake-up slap in the face? You act like he's delusional, thinking he's something he's not. Yet right there on TUF, he said, "I don't do MMA; I'm a fighter." Must not have heard that, huh? Or maybe you chose to ignore it to justify your silly tantrum.

Kimbo knows what kind of fighter he is; he knows exactly what he's doing. The dumbass back-yard brawler you insist he is would never have created so many opportunities from those YouTube videos. He's just a guy making the best out of life, doing so in an apparently very honest manner, and you trash him for it.

You, my friend, are a dummy and have been schooled yet again by the almighty Satan's Anus. Does it burn?

Every point I made is self explanatory.
He will not go far (if anywhere), in the UFC so your delusional idea that he will retire a very rich man is a joke.

I don't trash him for anything; I called him a dumbass that belongs in a back alley beating on other drunk meatheads.
Why do you care?
Any man that has a litter of children without a secure means of supporting them is a dumbass, do you refute that?
Why in the hell should I respect that?
I do respect the balls it takes to get in the ring, but only if they put their heart into it. Bas Rutten would have something to say about that, I reckon. And the fact that after 3 years of MMA training he is a corpse on the ground says a lot.

Funny how my criticism, whether just or unjust, prompted you to make it personal.

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