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I don't not know shit about the real world, and would appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions and insult me without knowing dick about me. Like traptunderice I have a girlfriend who is a lot older than I am, works, lives alone, deals with health insurance, rent, taxes etc, and even though I'm not directly involved with it, I do see what's going on.
No, my parents do not pay for everything, I have to do as many odd jobs as possible while in school to pay for gear or equipment I may need for my music. Again, while this is not comparable to being entirely independant and adult, I'm definetely not the naive helpless little jerk you described me as.

Thread split, let's keep this thread on politics.

Having a girlfriend that lives alone (which even still is not even close to supporting a family as far as expenses are concerned) and working a few odd jobs to pay for your toys just isn't the same.
It's ridiculous that I should even need to point that out.
Saying a 17 year old kid that still lives under his parents security blanket doesn't know shit about what it takes to make a living, let alone support a family, outside of the world of altruistic theory is not an insult. 9/10 of the time it is a fact., that 1/10 being someone that IS working, raisnig a kid or two while still a kid himself.
saying this: is kinda insulting, though.
Especially coming from someone that has practically everything he needs supplied by hs parents still, expensive toys nothwithsanding.

Aw V, you didn't comment on what I said.

Or well on the other thread you said taxes on rich affect the workers so should we just deal with the lack of healthcare for thirty million Americans or deal with people making insane profits on a product average Americans struggle to pay for. Jobs are going to leave America no matter what; cutting taxes isn't going to reduce the wages which our workers earn. You seem to just bring up a lot of criticisms without actually proving your right just that the other person is supposedly wrong.

On Hagee: he's a piece of shit.

McCain has rejected Hagees endorsememt, so I don't know what you are talking about.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/22/ ... index.html

McCain hasn't attened Hagees church for over twenty years; Obama has attended Wrights for a long time, and has a much closer relationship with Wright.
Wright believes YT created AIDS to destroy the black man, among other nutty things. They are both lunatics, if you ask me.

But whatever, I still don't how courting a vote is bringing religion into the white house, or how it is anything new.

As for health care, taxes, et al...
I don't know why you couldn't get a student loan or a grant; do your parents make too much money?
Health care needs to be fixed, that is true, but my tax bracket (somewhere in the middle) is paying more taxes already while wages are stagnant. Plus, on top of insurance, I should absorb the costof others' health care through taxation?
Less government, less taxes is good; more government, more taxes is bad.
You want a socialist system, you are in the wrong country.
I am dead against Bush's given the upper 1 percentile a tax break, while the middle class actually pay more in taxes.
I think a flat tax across the board is the only fair way.

Can I point out how McCain has had several bouts with melanoma, the most dangerous, ie: life-threatening, of all skins cancers? Then point out how Palin thinks God works through her. McCain honestly has never stood out in terms of religiosity yet he surrounds himself with people from Bush's administration which bothers me.

I feel like you need to research Obama's tax plan. Obama's plan offers lower taxes than what prevailed during the 1990s, a time which people commonly consider prosperous (I somewhat disagree but nonetheless). http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121867201724238901.html

Less government = unbridled capitalism which leads to 1910s (monopolies), 1930s (depressions) and 2008 (must I explain).

America is not socialist until it becomes so. *Raises fist, a socialist call-to-arms gesture and not the terrorist fist jab.

Flat taxes would be fair if the ruling class didn't have inherent control over the lower/middle class and what they can earn. It takes incredible ingenuity and drive to create what everyone deserves in today's supposed greatest country of the world. I'm not saying your Ford and your Gates don't deserve their wealth; I just feel that a lot more should be a lot closer to them financially than where they currently are.

No, you shouldn't absorb the costs of others' healthcare. I feel that if healthcare was socialized than the 40% upkeep/running costs of health insurance companies, which would be unneeded, could cover the bill of everyone's healthcare with a minor contribution from everyone for their own personal care.

As for my personal situation with no student loans, you can only take out $31,000 (a lifetime limit) worth of Stafford loans, the only loans which don't ass rape you down the road, and I still have graduate school to pay for. I've tried to hold off on the loans in order to pay for moving to the east coast when I go to graduate school. And my mother doesn't really make enough money to help me with any bills.

Meh, McCain sucks, too. what a joke that these two clowns are the best this country has to offer.
I didn't say NO government, obviously unbridled, unchecked capitalism can be a bad thing, and there should be some governmental oversight, but there are other things that can be done before raising anybodies taxes, i.e., cut back the military spending, among many other things.
Government waste has gotten waaayyy out of hand.
Do we REALLY need more than 700 bases worldwide?
Thats just for starters, though. Ohhh, I gotta lot of ideas...

Yeah, college is rough, I remember how hard it was.
You just gotta bite the bullet and keep going.

Them being chosen as the presidential candidates reflects how fucking stupid the majority of Americans are.

You're right about the wasteful spending. Hopefully, the shitstorm that this bailout crisis will lead to some monetary conservation on the part of the congress.

If I didn't enjoy college so much I'd hate it.

I don't think the american population will remove their collective heads from their asses anytime soon; things will have to get much harsher before that happens.
They still have a couple of cars, a big screen tv in multiple rooms, credit cards, fast food and instant gratification.
I mean, every time I turn around, I see gigantic 4x4 gas guzzling pickup trucks, you know, the big ass ones with the dualies and whatnot with the standard "Support our troops" decals splashed all over the place...
the height of ironic stupidity.
Walking this earth for 42 years has made me quite the cynic, I hate to say.

I love SUVs because they show that neo-marxism isn't completely irrelevant since SUVs are the greatest example of a fabricated need. People who purchase SUVs or large trucks have no need for them whatsoever; SUVs are no better than vans and no truck needs to be bigger than an F150. My dad was a livestock and crop farmer his whole life and never owned anything bigger than a Dodge W150.

If the Republican party gets landslided, it could open up the door for the libertarian party to be a viable third party or to replace the republican party in the distant future. There is just so much support for them and even more since McCain is so lackluster. Barr is getting some media coverage and does not even have a percentage of Paul's popularity. If Ron Paul would've ran for their party's nomination...

People with all that shit aren't gonna become desparate, it's the middle class that's going to be fucked.

Trickle-down theory is STUPID. Tax the rich.

Socialism is not about high taxes, it is about the abolition of the wage system through the workers actually collectively owning their own workplace. ie taking an equal role in deciding what happens at the plant, everybody contributes towards different tasks and is trained to take on higher-skilled and more important jobs, and ultimately being paid back according to their service to the workplace. Not according to a figure they signed up to when they joined and subject to the whims of richer people who don't actually do the work themselves.

To me, at least. What is interesting to me is the way that people who normally see straight through political bullshit fall for the most elementary demonology when it comes to the S word. It is not just some subjective marker along a sliding scale towards "big government" or "high taxes" or whatever, it is an entirely different way of thinking altogether.

If anyone is really interested in socialism and what it actually is rather than how it is portrayed by people who have a vested interest in getting rid of it, you could read a book called "Live Working or Die Fighting" by Paul Mason, which is the best way of putting it that I have personally read.

I usually define communism that way and I think that is ultimately the problem when defining the two. Everyone's definitions are so different. I would define socialism as the transitionary phase, essentially a welfare state, between what you described and our modern economies.

I definitely see where you are coming from but I disagree slightly.

I tend not to like the whole "phases" argument, because it implies that power first has to be seized and then there is this transitory period on the way to "communism", aka utopia. How much tyranny has been justified using precisely this... If you start to see some point in the future as a goal which must be achieved then you start to condone anything at all that gets you there. We have to look for ways to improve things in the here and now, and without the help of government.

The idea of cooperative ownership and management is quite broad and comes from a lot of different places, including the anarchist movement which is an awful long way from what we would interpret as communism in a Marxist/Leninist sense. Semantically speaking, I'd say that socialism could be seen as kind of an umbrella term that encompasses all of these ideas. But then, proper socialism to me is about evolution rather than revolution. So, it is about fighting for these things in your own workplace, and helping others to fight for it in theirs, rather than hoping someone will overthrow the current political setup and make something new. That is why I keep recommending this book, because it shows you what socialist organising actually is outside of the "revolutionaries" who, rightly or wrongly, have given socialism a bad name over the years.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE

haha, so stupid... He's lousy at speeches...

Stupid Rednecks

Uriah Heep? My love for Obama grows by leaps and bounds every day.

Now that's just silly. Although if it were true my respect would increase XD

In what possible way, shape or form does Obama have a connection with Uriah Heep? The mind boggles.

*cue Valefor: he used to play drums for them*

You do have a sauce for those stories, right?