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Can you please explain how we got Alien DNA?
Can you please explain how you came to the conclusion that we have alien DNA? What constitutes something as alien in terms of DNA? Variation is what makes DNA what is.


They can trace back the evolutionary roots of every single living thing on the planet, except a portion of our DNA that in no way resembles the other data and can't be traced to anything. Again, some scientists have said this was some virus that altered our DNA or we took on some of the content of a germ or bacteria, except there is no evidence of a rouge microbe being able to do this nor have they found it. It's a theory based on "we don't have anything else."

It makes it alien because people that have investigated it have come to the conclusion that the DNA is unlike anything else, that it must have come from a fork in evolution that must have developed elsewhere. It looks like something cut and pasted it into our DNA.

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traptunderice wrote:
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Can you please explain how we got Alien DNA?
Can you please explain how you came to the conclusion that we have alien DNA? What constitutes something as alien in terms of DNA? Variation is what makes DNA what is.


Beat me to it... I was going to post just this when I read that.
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Can you please explain how we got Alien DNA?
Can you please explain how you came to the conclusion that we have alien DNA? What constitutes something as alien in terms of DNA? Variation is what makes DNA what is.


They can trace back the evolutionary roots of every single living thing on the planet, except a portion of our DNA that in no way resembles the other data and can't be traced to anything. Again, some scientists have said this was some virus that altered our DNA or we took on some of the content of a germ or bacteria, except there is no evidence of a rouge microbe being able to do this nor have they found it. It's a theory based on "we don't have anything else."

It makes it alien because people that have investigated it have come to the conclusion that the DNA is unlike anything else, that it must have come from a fork in evolution that must have developed elsewhere. It looks like something cut and pasted it into our DNA.
My understanding of genetics is that variation results from random mutations. Evolution is caused by random genes being warped through exposure to radiation from the sun. How is this portion you're claiming as unique, and hence alien, not simply a result of that?

As for the variation chunk that you call alien, we share 99.4% of our DNA with chimps so that other 0.6% could easily be a discrepancy from our ancestors developed through a closed circle of breeding over millions of years. Is that 0.6% what you call alien?
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Can you please explain how we got Alien DNA?
Can you please explain how you came to the conclusion that we have alien DNA? What constitutes something as alien in terms of DNA? Variation is what makes DNA what is.


Beat me to it... I was going to post just this when I read that.
Weird being on the same wavelength.
Hahaha.

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They already canceled those theories out because the results can not be from mutation or evolution. You don't get a million years worth of evolution in a super specific way overnight. That's what it looks like. We're either time travelers or something else made that DNA.

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And as usual Adveser has shit evidence for his whackjob conspiracy theories. :rolleyes:


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And as usual Adveser has shit evidence for his whackjob conspiracy theories. :rolleyes:


But he's an exceptional awesome singer :dio:


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And as usual Adveser has shit evidence for his whackjob conspiracy theories. :rolleyes:


But he's an exceptional awesome singer :dio:

Holy shit he's the new Dave Mustaine.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
And as usual Adveser has shit evidence for his whackjob conspiracy theories. :rolleyes:


The history books of every civilization from the ancient word isn't evidence obviously. An alien hitting someone in the head with a bat isn't enough evidence for some.

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They already canceled those theories out because the results can not be from mutation or evolution. You don't get a million years worth of evolution in a super specific way overnight. That's what it looks like. We're either time travelers or something else made that DNA.
What do you mean by super specific DNA? Do apes contain this block as well? I assume not. What does this DNA correlate to in terms of genes? Humans had 1.6 to 2.2 million years to develop these genes. Where does the overnight part come in?

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Well, it is certainly a very interesting notion to be thinking about Adveser, but I don't think there is enough evidence or enough scientists which are investigating such an issue. If it were something of this magnitude that you are talking about then it would be all over the news and many more scientists were pondering over it. I don't think aliens could have created such a complex human life form and other complex life forms which are potentially infinite in nature. Hypothetically speaking, if aliens existed, they cannot be so much more advanced than us to create life forms that have evolved and are evolving into something infinite in nature. How can a finite being like an alien life form create something infinite as life forms on earth or else in the galaxy or the universe itself or an evolutionary cycle of life that will repeat itself endlessly. The notion of these ideas are merely science fiction and read in the stories to make sense out of an absurd world so simply and psychotically! The notion of Aliens planting life in different planets to create life or use them as their slaves is purely irrational. What will be the point of such an investigation for them if they are advanced in technology. After all no technology can created the nature of infinity. And don't you think if there were (imaginatively speaking) alien contact in the ancient times, they would contacted us again in 2500 years? I have seen documentaries on t.v. and on the discovery channel but even those people see it as fun and speculation and not so serious as you claiming it to be. The magnitude of earthly civilizations, the complexity of languages, the different philosophies that exist and philosophers that to the best of my knowledge have not discussed such a matter, other than the absurd religion of Scientology. DNA does not have 'veins, arteries' or 'its own immune system,' it is molecular in nature! DNA is that which constitutes the building blocks for such things. Also, so-called 'junk DNA' is by no means any evidence or proof of 'extraterrestrial' anything. One can connect anything to anything but one has to be reasonable and skeptical to evolve such "ideas" into life and form. certainty can be very poisonous!

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They already canceled those theories out because the results can not be from mutation or evolution. You don't get a million years worth of evolution in a super specific way overnight. That's what it looks like. We're either time travelers or something else made that DNA.


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They already canceled those theories out because the results can not be from mutation or evolution.


Who are they, how did they cancel out those theories, and why can't millions of years of evolution produce the differences we see between chimps and the illustrious homo sapien?

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You don't get a million years worth of evolution in a super specific way overnight. That's what it looks like. We're either time travelers or something else made that DNA.


You do realize that whatever evolution resulted in would look 'super specific' right?

All you are selling is just intelligent design with little green men.


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Man that Stop Stealing My Bandwidth And Upload To Your Own Site Thanks CD is da shiznet album of the year :dio: :dio:


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Intelligent design my ass. ONE instance of DNA being affected from outside nature would not negate the evolution of millions of years and millions of species otherwise. The theory is perfect, but this one time, the results were not from it's application.

Gary has a theory:
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Not all intelligent design rejects evolution, some take intelligent design as a form of deism where god creates life and evolution is his complex system of progress. How is what you are claiming distinct from deism? Well, it is a form of deism. You cite ancient texts, and they cite ancient texts. You have supernatural mysteries and well they have supernatural mysteries as well.

However, I still don't see why genetics cannot account for this block of DNA. I'm really intrigued and not trying to mock you; I just want you to be clear.

Edit: I like the Ockham's Razor joke.

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Intelligent design my ass. ONE instance of DNA being affected from outside nature would not negate the evolution of millions of years and millions of species otherwise. The theory is perfect, but this one time, the results were not from it's application.


I just hope you didn't waste money on a book. They are always selling a book.


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I asked a biology professor and a genetics professor about this matter today and they had the same opinions as me and found to be absolutely absurd, so get off your high horse and be a bit rational! Christ!

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Intelligent design my ass. ONE instance of DNA being affected from outside nature would not negate the evolution of millions of years and millions of species otherwise. The theory is perfect, but this one time, the results were not from it's application.


I just hope you didn't waste money on a book. They are always selling a book.


The vast majority of the people providing any information here and now don't really write books. Tom Beaden said his works were open domain for anyone to pursue and that is the line I hear from everyone else. They used to publish books because without a commercial reason, their work would have never reached anyone.

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Intelligent design my ass. ONE instance of DNA being affected from outside nature would not negate the evolution of millions of years and millions of species otherwise. The theory is perfect, but this one time, the results were not from it's application.


I just hope you didn't waste money on a book. They are always selling a book.


The vast majority of the people providing any information here and now don't really write books. Tom Beaden said his works were open domain for anyone to pursue and that is the line I hear from everyone else. They used to publish books because without a commercial reason, their work would have never reached anyone.
Still not addressing me, guy. I'm being serious. I want to take you seriously, obviously with a grain of salt but I don't understand how DNA came seem irregular. Breeding, mutation, and closed gene pools means that DNA is going to develop in a unique way. Do you think that it is too unique given the time? Could it be that humans interbreed amongst gene pools or are more susceptible to mutation than other species? Explain, my man.

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