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We shouldn't have to accomodate obscurantism and integrism.

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Damn ! I did it again.

Just to contribute a bit more than by plussing every single post coming from Stefan, have a look at that :



This happens in a shitty street in Paris (two, actually), every friday. Street prayers. They don't have a place to pray together, so they do it in/on the street. Obviously, in a country as ours where tolerance regarding public demonstration of religious crap is (very) limited, there's quite a big debate on what should we do with that.

Last news is : Paris is going to put them in a big hangar to fix the problem.

It's not really a separate law system, though, V. Are there not arbitration courts in America? Mediation? The law office I work at has a mediation firm on the top floor, a nonprofit that seeks to help couples with children when they split up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration

Sharia "courts" and Beth Din "courts" aren't equivalent to secular courts. Obviously if they started sentencing people to death then the fan would be hit by huge amounts of shit, but these are systems of (mainly financial) recourse designed to solve disputes over money with each religion's own specific financial laws. Eg, Jews can't charge each other interest, it's seen as a terrible sin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loans_and_ ... in_Judaism

Clearly seven shades of batty, but if people want to set up private initiatives for dispute-solving that rule on religious lines, it's their right.

The divorce aspect is a separate issue, and I do think that such issues shouldn't be carried out by religious courts. I understand that they wish to take these issues to their own people, even if I don't think it's particularly healthy for the religion to have whatever dirty laundry it has covered up.

The friday prayer is like the sunday mass, every muslim with faith goes to. The problem is there are sometimes too few places for them to do so, hence the photograh you posted.
It's a real problem since it's an obvious disturbance of a whole street and neighborhood. Gladly, this will be over soon and, if a warehouse is not exactly the best place for that, it's still much better than the streets and I'm sure the muslims who participated in those prayers agree with me.

I don't even know what those words mean.

That's probably because they're not written with apostrophes.

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That's ridiculous and just goes to show the total lack of respect for others.
And that tolerance seems to be by and large a one way street.

We do, but they are not based on religious belief, more like labor, things of that nature.

Also, didn't you guys (Euros) have some nice muslim rioting recently?
What was the all fuss about?

No rioting that I'm aware of.

French Muslim rioting 2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil ... _in_France

French Muslim rioting 2007:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_civil ... _in_France

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A recent convention of Muslims in Australia called for the establishment of an Islamic state ranging from Spain to Sydney. They also stated that Australian soldiers in Afghanistan deserved to die.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/o ... 6086653816

They also want their own laws for family law (does that include honour killings?) and finance.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6091923217


If they want to live under Sharia in an Islamic state, they should go back to whatever-the-fuck-a-stan they come from.

It's not like white people never riot, though. Eg -

French white people rioting, 2010.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h-day.html



Awww.

Reminds me of that kissing couple in Canada after that hockey riot.

Muslims riot in order to have their millenia old customs respected, wearing the burqa and being able to pray 5x a day. White people riot over hockey.

And you are going for your PHD yet you make such inane statements like that, please tell me sir when the last time "white" hockey fans threatened to kill an author over statements critical of their religion, kill people over depictions of their prophet, and scream Islamophobia when their radicals and accomodations on part of the spineless west are done to give them some degree of community that they would never give to anyone regardless of color living in one of their shithole cities. This is a false equivalence if there ever was one, and for one hockey fans don't blow up entire buildings for imperialist reasons while their populations sit idly by with a victims mentality. This is pure bullshit at its finest, and one reason why Islam has escaped any sort of thorough criticism because of vapid Western acceptance, so what no one at least in this thread has said they shouldn't enjoy the right to pray ten million times on a carpet. But, their complaints are nil, as Western governments bend over back asswards to appease them.

I was being facetious, asshole. I don't know why you always have your knickers in such a bunch.

You got really fucking incoherent, my man.
The West not taking care of its own people? Agreed, sir.
Neither do Muslims. Surely, you aren't calling Muslims imperialists. This account sounds more like what the West is doing in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely some of those pilots, at least a few, are hockey fans? But that has nothing to do with hockey.
V didn't say basically this?

And it is my Master's degree, guy. There are a lot of problems with Islam yet I feel that once you address the material conditions of poverty and women's rights then much of the archaic/barbaric practices associated with the religion would dissipate or be reigned in. That may be rather Enlightenment-y with a dash of Marxism but progress can be instilled in the culture if you can educate the populace and provide them with the necessary conditions for a decent life. Let's be honest, blowing yourself up to feed your family is only appealing when it's the only option for you to feed your family. Surely, you don't think suicide bombers are simply too lazy to take care of their family, the Islamic twist to the old welfare queen myth? Western govts appease them because those govts know they are the ones who fucked these countries over, colonizing them, exploiting them, instilling a hatred of the West in these populaces through their practices and now that the chickens have come home to roost, the people are impoverished and struggling and want change and to strike at the people who put them in their state. Is this a skewed depiction of what is happening?

The "civil unrest" (major LOL at that, by the way) in France that occurred in 2005 and 2007, had NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER with islam or even religion. Absolutely nothing*. 75% of the "rioters" (again, mega-LOL) were teenagers - little cunts - who felt like burning stuff and found it amusing because it made it to the news on the morrow.
It was not a religion problem, it was a "we hate France because we have the feeling France hates us" problem. The worst part was they burnt stuff (cars, schools, buses...) where they lived, which made their situation even worse.


* : Oh no wait, I remember there were 13-year olds shouting "Allah ackbar". But they didn't even know what that means.

Can I just request that we try and keep our senses of humour at the fore of our various musings here, guys? I know that what we're discussing is of the greatest import, yet sometimes things get a bit too heated. We're too good at pushing each other's buttons. I mean, it was pretty obvious that Trapt's tongue was in his cheek there, to me at least...