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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... e-abortion

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/24/warren-hern-america-late-abortion

Interesting.
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'I'm sorry, I don't kill babies. I aspirate gestational sacs. You kill your baby.'...I do think that helping people control their fertility is highly consistent with helping people be responsible citizens of the planet.
Wow. A damn good article minus the weird point-of-view style it was written in. It gives you chills.

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http://gizmodo.com/5455692/ade+651-magi ... d-hundreds

Jesus. You wouldn't believe that people can get away with this shit in this day and age.


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This week's episode of Question Time is full of hurr and durr. I'm not sure who was worse, Lawd Lawson or the mad cow Sun columnist. The whole thing was like that page of Private Eye where they take the piss out of tabloids. :lame: Yay for Jihad Jenny, I suppose. Entertaining as ever, though, esp. LL and his slurred post-stroke speaking, not to mention that his hair is not real. Can't be.


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Heh, didn't watch in the end, listened to Shining instead.

In other news Howard Zinn died

"My point is not that we must, in telling history, accuse, judge, condemn Columbus in absentia. It is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality, but the easy acceptance of atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress (Hiroshima and Vietnam, to save western civilization; Kronstadt and Hungary, to save socialism; nuclear proliferation, to save us all) – that is still with us. One reason these atrocities are still with us is that we have learned to bury them in a mass of other facts, as radioactive wastes are buried in containers in the earth."


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RIP.


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Jesus, twenty million pounds the Pope's visit is going to cost the British taxpayer, and he's already whining that we allow gays to adopt children. You know, look after children, clothe them, feed them, care for them and so on, as opposed to what some priests do to them.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7683670.stm

Scroll down. :blink:


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7683670.stm

Scroll down. :blink:


ZaNu LieBore's fortunes revived by the Broons' Anvil association? I think so!


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... astthepost

Interesting that the AV vote was passed, but

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Later, a Liberal Democrat bid to include STV as the referendum option, rather than AV, was rejected by 476 votes to 69, government majority 407.


shows this up for Broonian desperation, I think. I doubt it'll get through the Lords. Not entirely sure I get the various systems, anyways. Charles! Explain the Jenkins commission's AV+ system to me, and how much better it would be.


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Goat wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/09/electoralreform-firstpastthepost

Interesting that the AV vote was passed, but

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Later, a Liberal Democrat bid to include STV as the referendum option, rather than AV, was rejected by 476 votes to 69, government majority 407.


shows this up for Broonian desperation, I think. I doubt it'll get through the Lords. Not entirely sure I get the various systems, anyways. Charles! Explain the Jenkins commission's AV+ system to me, and how much better it would be.


Hang on, I am somekind of expert on electoral systems?

Yes, it's pathetic that they are so terrified of having a referendum on STV. I guess the obvious reason being that it would screw both Tories and Labour to the benefit of the Lib Dems. We can't have that- stupid democracy!

AV seems like a compromise. From http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voti ... ms2.htm#AV

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The same constituency boundaries are used and voters would elect one person to represent them in parliament, just as we do now. However, rather than marking an 'X' against their preferred candidate, each voter would rank their candidates in an order of preference, putting '1' next to their favourite, a '2' by their second choice and so on. If a candidate receives a majority of first place votes, he or she would be elected just as under the present system. However if no single candidate gets more than 50% of the vote, the second choices for the candidate at the bottom are redistributed. The process is repeated until one candidate gets an absolute majority. The alternative vote is not actually a proportional system, but a majoritarian system. It looks most similar to the current electoral system.


STV is way cooler, IMO

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Each constituency would elect between 3 and 5 MPs depending on its size. Voters rank the candidates, putting a '1' for their favourite, a '2' for the next, and so on. If the voter's first choice candidate does not need their vote, either because he or she is elected without it, or because he or she has too few votes to be elected, then the vote is transferred to the voter's second choice candidate, and so on.

In this way, most of the votes help to elect a candidate and far fewer votes are wasted. An important feature of STV is that voters can choose between candidates both of their own and of other parties, and can even select candidates for reasons other than party affiliation. Thus, a voter, wishing for more women MPs could vote for a woman from their own party and then all other women candidates, whatever party they stand for.


I don't see how either would actually benefit parties like the Greens though, necessarily. I suppose they would, only if it's true that the Greens are every Lab or Lib supporters' second choice. It would almost certainly really screw the BNP because everyone who isn't a supporter would put them last.


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Heh, you probably know more than me, I've been playing catch-up since first reading about it on the LD manifesto. To be honest, reading about the fierce opposition from the Tories in the debate, I can't see even AV getting a referendum if they get in - even if it does, by 2011 there'll be other issues and it will probably be quietly cancelled. The only hope for reform seems to be that Labour need the LibDems' support, and Clegg sticks to his guns and has them agree to STV, which he's been pretty firm about in interviews I've read. Apparently Paddy Ashdown's told him to be extremely wary about believing NuLab after Blair dumped on him back in '97. I think Labour dropping to third place and the LibDems forming the opposition is more likely than Labour beating the Tories. Well, fingers crossed, heh.

Have you read about Jenkin's AV+ system? Two tiers of MPs, sounds a bit :wacko:


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Yeah, I have to admit I don't really have much of an idea about what Jenkins is going on about :blink:


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Nice.
This pisses me off. While my wife and I work our asses off, do without nice things to pay our bills and make sure our kids are provided for, I am paying to perpuate the welfare of some crackhead drinking 40's popping out a litter of pup's (each with a different baby-daddy) and sleeping in all day. Notice how they never mention the Asian unemployment stat's, they only compare the black and white stats...
same as with the education stats... it's only how blacks fare against whites, never mentioning that Asians outperform whites.
I wonder why that might be.

It's not as if trillion$$$ haven't been spent on myriad entitlement programs for 40 some odd years already, but hey, the country is circling the drain, so lets give a single group even more aid.
That's not racist at all.

You can throw all the money in the world in the pot, but it won't amount to a pisshole in the snow until an inkling of personal responsibilty takes place. So far all I've ever heard from the likes of Sharpton and the NAACP is how every ill that seems to afflict blacks is the fault of racism.

How is this type of activity supposed to "transcend race"?
Only those of European descent are supposed to do that, I guess.


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Reminds me of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8lUY9jS8oQ

"Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody til we're all the same colour."


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Goat wrote:
Reminds me of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8lUY9jS8oQ

"Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody til we're all the same colour."


Yeah, but that "top 1%" or whatever it is kind of suggests that there are plenty of white folk that aren't rich either.

So, why the need to have a specifically black advocacy, why not just one for those that are unemployed, regardless of race?
The day that a large segment (the vast majority) of the black population stops regarding getting an education, being responsible with your seed and working your way up to success as "acting white" in lieu of keeping it real, then I'll see the point. Until that day, fuck 'em. They don't want to play by the rules, don't come crying to me. It's time to man the fuck up.


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V, you might find this interesting.
http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/ ... is-it.html

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Thank's Frig. It was a good read.
I grew up in black neighborhoods / went to schools with 30-40% blacks, and all that that teacher spoke of is true to a word. Only difference back then was we didn't give a fuck about some imaginary concept of "white guilt" and we stuck up for each other.
The bullshit you see on TV about the fine upstanding black man in charge doing what's right, by God, is just that: bullshit. Sure, they exist, but they are not the rule.
It's easy for some upper middle-class white kid that doesn't deal with "diversity" on a daily basis to sit high in their Ivory tower and proclaim that we are all the same, just different hues, but down in th streets it's a different story.


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white people in America disappeared
tomorrow?”



Take a walk through Detroit for the answer. Or Haiti, because at one time (when ruled by the French) it was a prosperous country; how could it not be, located where it is. Well, the French were driven out, and the rest is history.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=7254211

All the assailants were black, the victim was white.
This happened not to far from where I live, and not one person tried to intervene. The guy was trying to make their neighborhood better by repairing something, just doing his job, and nobody even tries to stop it, they video tape it and laugh about it. It's like a party. Believe it or not, these things aren't even news anymore, just another day in the hood.
My uncle had to do construction in Oakland at one time, and he started carrying a handgun after the first few days.

What's really depressing is, the whole cycle will just keep repeating itself over and over until there is a deep sea change within the black community, if you can call it a community. All the money in the world won't change a damned thing.
That's not "racist", that's being honest, and more people need to stop being pigeon hearted jellyfish, fearful of speaking the truth.


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Except that Haiti was ruined by a group of dictators, no?

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Except that Haiti was ruined by a group of dictators, no?


In a sense.


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