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Aaron, I've got a question. As you may or may not be aware of, Switzerland is currently in the throes of a right-wing sponsored campaign to ban the construction of minarets. We have and allow mosques, but the right's argument is that the minaret serves no function other than to symbolically establish Islamic law. Of course, my question is, how important is a minaret to the worshiping capacities of the Muslims here, and what functions does it serve?
I for one am torn. On the one hand, I don't want any increase in the presence of any religion. On the other hand, Muslims should have the right to worship with all the conveniences of Christians and Jews and Sikhs, etc. Plus the fact that the campaign is blatantly inspired by xenophobia rather than humanitarian outrage.
For curiosity, this is the poster they've decided on.
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Them Muslims with their minarets, climbing up and down again, huh. I think minarets look cool, personally, and add colour to the skyline of a city - better than mobile phone masts and supermarkets, anyways. Of course, if it will result in giant angry burqa-covered beings stomping around like Godzilla then I'm firmly against.


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I don't listen to metal anymore, I haven't for months.


I went for about 10 years without listening to it .. you'll be back.


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I don't listen to metal anymore, I haven't for months.


I went for about 10 years without listening to it .. you'll be back.


just listen to the old vintage casettes and cds you hace laying around dude.
that might bring you back to the congregation!!


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
GeneralDiomedes wrote:
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I don't listen to metal anymore, I haven't for months.


I went for about 10 years without listening to it .. you'll be back.


just listen to the old vintage casettes and cds you hace laying around dude.
that might bring you back to the congregation!!


I have been back for about 5 years now ..


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Aaron, I've got a question. As you may or may not be aware of, Switzerland is currently in the throes of a right-wing sponsored campaign to ban the construction of minarets. We have and allow mosques, but the right's argument is that the minaret serves no function other than to symbolically establish Islamic law. Of course, my question is, how important is a minaret to the worshiping capacities of the Muslims here, and what functions does it serve?
I for one am torn. On the one hand, I don't want any increase in the presence of any religion. On the other hand, Muslims should have the right to worship with all the conveniences of Christians and Jews and Sikhs, etc. Plus the fact that the campaign is blatantly inspired by xenophobia rather than humanitarian outrage.
For curiosity, this is the poster they've decided on.
The caption reads:
"STOP! YES on the minaret ban!"


Blech, you Scandinavian countries and your racist folk barely kept in check by homogeneity.

On the serious side, without a minaret, there is no good place to perform adhan, or 'call to prayer,' which is important for, like, a million reasons. They're important to the overall suitability of a masjid. Now, I will not say that they are necessary- because they aren't, all a masjid needs is a podium with 3 steps and an Imam to be technically valid, but what kind of society are you if you're putting those restrictions on Muslims and not saying to Christians 'okay, gotta tear down those bell towers, buddy.'

they have nothing to do with Sharia law, I have no idea where people got that crazy idea.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Aaron, I've got a question. As you may or may not be aware of, Switzerland is currently in the throes of a right-wing sponsored campaign to ban the construction of minarets. We have and allow mosques, but the right's argument is that the minaret serves no function other than to symbolically establish Islamic law. Of course, my question is, how important is a minaret to the worshiping capacities of the Muslims here, and what functions does it serve?
I for one am torn. On the one hand, I don't want any increase in the presence of any religion. On the other hand, Muslims should have the right to worship with all the conveniences of Christians and Jews and Sikhs, etc. Plus the fact that the campaign is blatantly inspired by xenophobia rather than humanitarian outrage.
For curiosity, this is the poster they've decided on.
The caption reads:
"STOP! YES on the minaret ban!"


Blech, you Scandinavian countries and your racist folk barely kept in check by homogeneity.

On the serious side, without a minaret, there is no good place to perform adhan, or 'call to prayer,' which is important for, like, a million reasons. They're important to the overall suitability of a masjid. Now, I will not say that they are necessary- because they aren't, all a masjid needs is a podium with 3 steps and an Imam to be technically valid, but what kind of society are you if you're putting those restrictions on Muslims and not saying to Christians 'okay, gotta tear down those bell towers, buddy.'

they have nothing to do with Sharia law, I have no idea where people got that crazy idea.


I'm gonna assume that calling us "Scandinavian" was a joke.
They would be mute minarets. As for your point on the Christians keeping their bell towers, I'd be all for tearing down any sort of religious monument. But I wouldn't let that stop me from blocking the building of minarets.

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You'd want cathedrals torn down, then? That's pretty crazy.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Aaron, I've got a question. As you may or may not be aware of, Switzerland is currently in the throes of a right-wing sponsored campaign to ban the construction of minarets. We have and allow mosques, but the right's argument is that the minaret serves no function other than to symbolically establish Islamic law. Of course, my question is, how important is a minaret to the worshiping capacities of the Muslims here, and what functions does it serve?
I for one am torn. On the one hand, I don't want any increase in the presence of any religion. On the other hand, Muslims should have the right to worship with all the conveniences of Christians and Jews and Sikhs, etc. Plus the fact that the campaign is blatantly inspired by xenophobia rather than humanitarian outrage.
For curiosity, this is the poster they've decided on.
The caption reads:
"STOP! YES on the minaret ban!"


Blech, you Scandinavian countries and your racist folk barely kept in check by homogeneity.

On the serious side, without a minaret, there is no good place to perform adhan, or 'call to prayer,' which is important for, like, a million reasons. They're important to the overall suitability of a masjid. Now, I will not say that they are necessary- because they aren't, all a masjid needs is a podium with 3 steps and an Imam to be technically valid, but what kind of society are you if you're putting those restrictions on Muslims and not saying to Christians 'okay, gotta tear down those bell towers, buddy.'

they have nothing to do with Sharia law, I have no idea where people got that crazy idea.


I'm gonna assume that calling us "Scandinavian" was a joke.
They would be mute minarets. As for your point on the Christians keeping their bell towers, I'd be all for tearing down any sort of religious monument. But I wouldn't let that stop me from blocking the building of minarets.


Can't really see what the point of tearing down religious monuments. Personally I don't have a problem with churches, mosques, etc. It are just buildings in my eyes.


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You'd want cathedrals torn down, then? That's pretty crazy.


Nah, if there's any sort of architectural value I'd convert them into schools or something useful.

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Ah yes, because a cathedral would make a perfect school.


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Ah yes, because a cathedral would make a perfect school.

Library? Concert hall! That would be awesome.

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Hmph. The best thing about cathedrals for me is when they're empty and you can just sit and space out. Been to some services in a couple, but turning them into libraries would completely ruin them.


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Ain't you just so edgy, Frigid. Cred with the ay-the-ists!

to you your practices, and to the Muslims theirs (Islamic Monotheism).

Anyway, if they're silent, then they're even more meaningless, so just let them get built. They make a mosque more beautiful.


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They make a mosque more beautiful.


Exactly. If you're going to build mosques at all, why not make them more than just a squat brick building? Some religious halls of worship are wonderful to look at.


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Goat wrote:
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They make a mosque more beautiful.


Exactly. If you're going to build mosques at all, why not make them more than just a squat brick building? Some religious halls of worship are wonderful to look at.


Google 'Islamic Cultural Center of New York'


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Dead Machine wrote:
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They make a mosque more beautiful.


Exactly. If you're going to build mosques at all, why not make them more than just a squat brick building? Some religious halls of worship are wonderful to look at.


Google 'Islamic Cultural Center of New York'


Yeah, like that. Looks like something out of Command & Conquer. ( :unsure: )


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Goat wrote:
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They make a mosque more beautiful.


Exactly. If you're going to build mosques at all, why not make them more than just a squat brick building? Some religious halls of worship are wonderful to look at.


Google 'Islamic Cultural Center of New York'


Yeah, like that. Looks like something out of Command & Conquer. ( :unsure: )


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One of the cathedrals here is now a concert hall/conservatory of music and it's pretty awesome. Every time I see something there I stare at the huge organ wishing I could play it.


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Complete and utter ownage. Hitchens and Fry were brilliantly passionate, despite slightly abusing rhetoric; Widdecombe obviously had nothing in her hand, and the bishop just looked stunned, like a fish out of water.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZz_pxZ2lw

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFTj9n40rNo

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-q8US0QRs4

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQRkfZzyfcU

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i391gBoEo58

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