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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 39
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First off, the BNP are doing better now because they have conspicuously (if probably not genuinely) mellowed. They now do everything they can to appear as a working-class party that just has a very firm anti-immigration policy.

Second, despite that, the idea that they have "no influence" on national politics is pretty ignorant, although entirely understandable if you don't actually live here. The BNP are a key part of the massive move rightwards within UK public opinion on race-related issues.

If anyone watched Question Time the other day, you will have noticed how EVERYBODY on the panel accepted Nick Griffin's argument that there are far too many foreigners coming into the UK. Hardly anybody accepts the BNP as a solution, but the "problems" the BNP have been bringing up over and over again- their entire raison d'etre- is now mainstream opinion. And a large part of the reason for that is the way in which they've managed to so totally sell their narrative that there is this massive resentful "silent majority" of put-upon "white working class" people that are fundamentally disenfranchised by our "ultra-leftist multicultural elite".

If you need any better example of the extent to which their line of argument is now generally accepted, how about the fact that the latest yougov poll (I nearly posted the link here yesterday, but couldn't be arsed so you'll have to google it now) shows that 37% of Green Party voters agreed with the statement "all further immigration into the UK should be stopped".

No it is true, we have not quite reached the stage of such visibly, cross-burningly braindead rightwing thuggery over here as you are so priveleged to have a history of in the US. But the whole idea of trying to write off the British far-right is totally dense and betrays an ignorance of the current climate in UK politics.


...Mary, mother of Isa! That's way worse than I would have thought. I guess I extrapolated too much from those polling numbers.

Really though, some BNP policies would be dismissed as 'leftist' by the right-wing wackos we have around here. The fringe of the Republican party is indisputably way further right than the BNP ever will be, but they don't have the brownshirts thing going for them and seem to confine themselves to the internet.


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...Mary, mother of Isa! That's way worse than I would have thought. I guess I extrapolated too much from those polling numbers.

Really though, some BNP policies would be dismissed as 'leftist' by the right-wing wackos we have in office around here. The fringe of the Republican party is indisputably way further right than the BNP ever will be, but they don't have the brownshirts thing going for them and seem to confine themselves to the internet.


Re: the polling numbers- you really did extrapolate too much. Number of votes received is a long way from the only way you can gauge a parties influence. Several polls have surfaced recently showing how many-even a majority people agree with a lot of the BNP's platforms when the party that proposed them was anonymised. "Mainstream" parties are so frightened of them that, like I said, they are completely adopting their logic. Even the BBC is.

Now, likely the BNP are a mere symptom rather than the cause, but no, you really shouldn't read that much into the fact that in absolute terms their vote declined in the last Euro elections and disregard them on that basis.

Re: the Republicans- it really depends where you determine the "fringe" to be. Plenty of people consider the BNP to be a leftwing party here, as well. Although those people are by and large idiots.


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Wow. Those of you who spend all your time pondering who Glenn Beck's favourite band is, look no further! And it's (almost) metalreviews.com friendly!

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909160008


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Wow. Those of you who spend all your time pondering who Glenn Beck's favourite band is, look no further! And it's (almost) metalreviews.com friendly!

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909160008


:lol: AND THEY DON'T WANT IT :lol:



EDIT: Oh, goddammit Glenn Beck. "Show-pan"? Seriously? You can't even bring yourself to pronounce the guy's name the correct, FRENCH way? For chrissakes.

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:lol:


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What a whiny bitch this man is. Good job he never went on Have I Got News For You... and I love how the only place they can safely film him in is so deserted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKaVgQiPBMY

1:35 - says 'burp' instead of 'word'
3:00 - appeals for money to go to war...
3:57 - and then shows a German plane as part of the British 'resistance'. Whoops!


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What a whiny bitch this man is. Good job he never went on Have I Got News For You... and I love how the only place they can safely film him in is so deserted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKaVgQiPBMY

1:35 - says 'burp' instead of 'word'
3:00 - appeals for money to go to war...
3:57 - and then shows a German plane as part of the British 'resistance'. Whoops!
Wow. For a second there, I almost appreciated my own political system but then I vomited a little in my mouth.


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Goat wrote:
What a whiny bitch this man is. Good job he never went on Have I Got News For You... and I love how the only place they can safely film him in is so deserted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKaVgQiPBMY

1:35 - says 'burp' instead of 'word'
3:00 - appeals for money to go to war...
3:57 - and then shows a German plane as part of the British 'resistance'. Whoops!
Wow. For a second there, I almost appreciated my own political system but then I vomited a little in my mouth.


It's not all as bad, I'm pretty sure they dumb down BNP stuff to appeal to the morons. This is the last Green Party political broadcast, around EU election time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIaqH84Yvzc

Yeah, the Green Party.


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Sorry but what kind of douchebag would enquire about joining the BNP after seeing Nick's Question Time gig?


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rio wrote:
Sorry but what kind of douchebag would enquire about joining the BNP after seeing Nick's Question Time gig?


Guardian columnists, hopefully.


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rio wrote:
Sorry but what kind of douchebag would enquire about joining the BNP after seeing Nick's Question Time gig?


Guardian columnists, hopefully.


*rim shot*

american politics are boring at the moment. fiddle-dee-foof on this, fiddle-dee-foof on that, nothing gets done, conservatives scream, liberals scream, this, that, the other thing, blah blah blah blah blah.

wish we had more parties.


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Joe Lieberman is going to filibuster with the Republicans, after the public option has finally been added to the final bill. That asshat needs a boot shoved up his ass.

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Watching Question Time from last Thursday. That Plaid Cymru chappie's pretty awesome, isn't he?


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Watching this currently... debate between Alex Callinicos and Martin Wolf

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/11/ ... -wolf.html


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rock and roll


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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9nVpO1Dvfk

I think I'm beginning to understand why so many people watch Fox News.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk

Jesus fucking christ. That there's even a chance that this woman might get nominated is obscene.

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I hope she becomes President, personally. If anything'll make Ministry reform, that'll be it.


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yeah whatevs guys you just can't take the fact that she's real... go back to desecrating the crucifix!


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