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I think of selfs, egos, subjects in standard Western traditions as contained and packaged entities. Descartes can come up with his thinking ego outside of the world, Kant has a neatly packaged subject of apperception which constitutes the world (the transcendental object) as the perception of the transcendental object makes possible apperception through synthesis, even Hume's bundle of perceptions is still a neat bundle which if devoid of content would dissolve yet the perceptions which it is made of are perceptions of the world, not the world.

For Heidegger, though, subject and object can't be separated. He takes Kant further to some degree. Rather than having apperception related to transcendental object in a circle constituting the other, Heidegger smears that. Dasein is its possibilities in the world. It is not a list of ontic characteristics or attributes. It is what it does in the world. The concept of Dasein opens up the possibility of Butler, as I'm reading now, to say the subject is nothing except for when it is enacted, through gender, or Althusser to say the subject arise through interpellation of policing or Foucault to say the subject is simply what disciplinary apparatuses inscribe in the body.

The classic line on 42 of the German pagination that Dasein's essence is its existence is crucial. What Dasein is, its essence, is founded upon its existence, how it is in the world, acting and being acted upon. Dasein is always with others in this world; Dasein ontologically is always taking up and discarding possibilities; it is ontological that through these possibilities which Dasein partakes in, Dasein comes to understand itself. Dasein can never be known except through the world and maybe Heidi's refutation of Descartes would come up at that moment. I don't remember it clearly but it's something about substance rather ugh. Contra Berkeley's notion of a perceiving, constituting subject, Dasein is a meaning ascribing subject, a subject which would exist without the world insofar as its thought constitutes the world. The world only gains meaning through Dasein's interaction with it. Dasein is always within a world that is being orientated to Dasein.

Quick ramblings, hope that helps. I spouted that off the top of my head so I could probably be a bit more precise or lucid. Let me know if you want clarification. I mentioned enough moderns but also "post-moderns" so if you knew any of those you could take them up as a comparison. Descartes is the easy target, though, as always I guess. The more contemporary options would be super interesting for a paper insofar as they already reject what you are seeking to explain that Heidegger is rejecting but my personal biases are towards the 20th century theorists.


Thank you very much for taking the time to write this; it is much appreciated. I have a very good idea about Dasein and its characteristics and possibilities. I haven't read any Berkeley and have not really concentrated on post-modernism that much but I know somethings about it, nonetheless (although not enough to write a ten page essay on it, just yet). Yes, Descartes would be the obvious point of discussing this matter but I would rather approach it differently. I am meeting with my professor on Friday so I suppose I can ask for some sources as how to approach it from the modern and "post-modern" way in terms of what books I can use as secondary sources. Thanks again for your brainstorm. You have given me a pointer. Cheers. Approaching it from a Psychological standpoint can also be very interesting.
By all means, I was just throwing stuff out there. Psychology/phil of mind as an approach, given that I believe you're a psych/phil double major might be interesting. I don't keep up with that stuff but surely there should be some form of phenomenology in that field, that is, phil of mind, which could be subsumed into or synthesized with Heidi's account. I like to think of phil as relational, my continental background, everything has developed within a history so I was just trying to stretch and bounce Heidi's thought in order to make it a little easier to engage.

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Being a dad feels weird. Somehow, not sleeping, changing diapers, being peed on, it all feels natural. Right now I'm getting Griffin acquainted to some power metal... my wife wouldn't approve.


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This past weekend I put my penis inside a woman. Then I went to an art museum with her and ate a delicious sandwich with turkey, arugula, gruyere, ricotta, and butter on a baguette.


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This past weekend I put my penis inside a woman.


This is so romantic :wub:

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Then I went to an art museum with her and ate a delicious sandwich with turkey, arugula, gruyere, ricotta, and butter on a baguette.


WHAT?! Eww, revolting.


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Being a dad feels weird. Somehow, not sleeping, changing diapers, being peed on, it all feels natural. Right now I'm getting Griffin acquainted to some power metal... my wife wouldn't approve.
pshhh there's nothing bad about power metal, i mean if a baby's gonna listen to some form of metal, it should be power metal. I know when i get a girl preggo and plan on staying ill have my kid listening to power metal while wearing this http://www.merchandisingplaza.us/app/de ... m=shopping


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Being a dad feels weird. Somehow, not sleeping, changing diapers, being peed on, it all feels natural. Right now I'm getting Griffin acquainted to some power metal... my wife wouldn't approve.
pshhh there's nothing bad about power metal, i mean if a baby's gonna listen to some form of metal, it should be power metal. I know when i get a girl preggo and plan on staying ill have my kid listening to power metal while wearing this http://www.merchandisingplaza.us/app/de ... m=shopping


That outfit is cute!


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Being a dad feels weird. Somehow, not sleeping, changing diapers, being peed on, it all feels natural. Right now I'm getting Griffin acquainted to some power metal... my wife wouldn't approve.
pshhh there's nothing bad about power metal, i mean if a baby's gonna listen to some form of metal, it should be power metal. I know when i get a girl preggo and plan on staying ill have my kid listening to power metal while wearing this http://www.merchandisingplaza.us/app/de ... m=shopping


That outfit is cute!

right? wouldn't you want your baby wearing it?


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I like this one better: http://www.merchandisingplaza.co.uk/Iro ... Body-23795

Not sure the wife does, though. :dio:


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I like this one better: http://www.merchandisingplaza.co.uk/Iro ... Body-23795

Not sure the wife does, though. :dio:

does have a better shirt design but i still prefer Amon Amarth over Iron Maiden anyday :P


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bloodpet64 wrote:
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I like this one better: http://www.merchandisingplaza.co.uk/Iro ... Body-23795

Not sure the wife does, though. :dio:

does have a better shirt design but i still prefer Amon Amarth over Iron Maiden anyday :P


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yes young people, im only 20 :P and hey i have my preferences, ive never been a huge fan on straight up heavy metal. I just feel its kinda boring and lacking to be honest.


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yes young people, im only 20 :P and hey i have my preferences, ive never been a huge fan on straight up heavy metal. I just feel its kinda boring and lacking to be honest.


That's fair; nonetheless, you will come to appreciate it either a few years from now or down the road. Never forgot everything made now is in one-way-or-another a derivative of what came before it. Everyone I talk to being very experienced people in the Metal-world, talk about going back to the roots of Metal and the straight-forward approach to Rock'n'Roll.

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yes young people, im only 20 :P and hey i have my preferences, ive never been a huge fan on straight up heavy metal. I just feel its kinda boring and lacking to be honest.


That's fair; nonetheless, you will come to appreciate it either a few years from now or down the road. Never forgot everything made now is in one-way-or-another a derivative of what came before it. Everyone I talk to being very experienced people in the Metal-world, talk about going back to the roots of Metal and the straight-forward approach to Rock'n'Roll.

yeah im sure i will. Just gotta give it time as you said. I notice with some bands it takes me a while to really like them. Like i didn't like slayer at first but after a month or so i liked em.


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yes young people, im only 20 :P and hey i have my preferences, ive never been a huge fan on straight up heavy metal. I just feel its kinda boring and lacking to be honest.


That's fair; nonetheless, you will come to appreciate it either a few years from now or down the road. Never forgot everything made now is in one-way-or-another a derivative of what came before it. Everyone I talk to being very experienced people in the Metal-world, talk about going back to the roots of Metal and the straight-forward approach to Rock'n'Roll.

yeah im sure i will. Just gotta give it time as you said. I notice with some bands it takes me a while to really like them. Like i didn't like slayer at first but after a month or so i liked em.


You see--I am myself after 15 years of Metal--am really just getting into Slayer just because I can appreciate and ultimately love the raw sound much more than I did before. Thrash Metal was one my least favourite of genres in Metal but that has changed and I'm very glad that it has; you understand my saying, I'm sure :).

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