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Spent a relaxing weekend alone with my girlfriend, was rather lazy and awesome. Now I'm currently stressed over finishing a research paper for my psych class but once that's done I'll more or less be over the hill for this semester. Birthday next weekend, lots of food and friends and SKYRIM :dio: Plus Thanksgiving break next week, bringing my girlfriend along to meet the fam since things are getting serious, and then back to school for two weeks before the semester's over. Life is good :)


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Spent a relaxing weekend alone with my girlfriend, was rather lazy and awesome. Now I'm currently stressed over finishing a research paper for my psych class but once that's done I'll more or less be over the hill for this semester. Birthday next weekend, lots of food and friends and SKYRIM :dio: Plus Thanksgiving break next week, bringing my girlfriend along to meet the fam since things are getting serious, and then back to school for two weeks before the semester's over. Life is good :)


Aww that's so cute. You really think you're going to do all that stuff with Skyrim on the way. :D


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Spent a relaxing weekend alone with my girlfriend, was rather lazy and awesome. Now I'm currently stressed over finishing a research paper for my psych class but once that's done I'll more or less be over the hill for this semester. Birthday next weekend, lots of food and friends and SKYRIM :dio: Plus Thanksgiving break next week, bringing my girlfriend along to meet the fam since things are getting serious, and then back to school for two weeks before the semester's over. Life is good :)


Aww that's so cute. You really think you're going to do all that stuff with Skyrim on the way. :D

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Spent a relaxing weekend alone with my girlfriend, was rather lazy and awesome. Now I'm currently stressed over finishing a research paper for my psych class but once that's done I'll more or less be over the hill for this semester. Birthday next weekend, lots of food and friends and SKYRIM :dio: Plus Thanksgiving break next week, bringing my girlfriend along to meet the fam since things are getting serious, and then back to school for two weeks before the semester's over. Life is good :)


Aww that's so cute. You really think you're going to do all that stuff with Skyrim on the way. :D

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Sick. Had too much fun on the weekend. Gonna spend the day wrapped in blankets, listening to acoustic music and watching tennis.


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Spent a relaxing weekend alone with my girlfriend, was rather lazy and awesome. Now I'm currently stressed over finishing a research paper for my psych class but once that's done I'll more or less be over the hill for this semester. Birthday next weekend, lots of food and friends and SKYRIM :dio: Plus Thanksgiving break next week, bringing my girlfriend along to meet the fam since things are getting serious, and then back to school for two weeks before the semester's over. Life is good :)


Aww that's so cute. You really think you're going to do all that stuff with Skyrim on the way. :D

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See, my girlfriend will actually be playing Skyrim with me, so it's all good :D


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Oh yes, true, you've got yourself a nerd one. Noodz bless you.


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Noodless or Trapt can help me out here. I have some ideas about what to write for my paper but wanted to see if you guys have any opinions about this topic. How would you guys compare/contrast the notion of Dasein (being-in-the-world) and the notion of dualism? Any ideas would be much appreciated. This is all based upon a close reading of Heidegger (as you very well know). Cheers.

Edit: I just found an excellent book concerning the very thing I'm investigating, titled Transformation: Thinking After Heidegger. Good stuff!

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Define Infinity wrote:
Noodless or Trapt can help me out here. I have some ideas about what to write for my paper but wanted to see if you guys have any opinions about this topic. How would you guys compare/contrast the notion of Dasein (being-in-the-world) and the notion of dualism? Any ideas would be much appreciated. This is all based upon a close reading of Heidegger (as you very well know). Cheers.

Edit: I just found an excellent book concerning the very thing I'm investigating, titled Transformation: Thinking After Heidegger. Good stuff!
Dualism, as in mind/body dualism? Heidegger has that section refuting Descartes' method early on in the first part. The thinking that I assume that book is talking about, Heidegger's thinking in his late work, is very different than the thinking substance of Descartes. I wish I knew what you meant by dualism. Dualism in more contemporary phil. of mind stuff would be interesting utilizing Heidegger but I just don't think anywhere in B&T does he open the possibility for mind, maybe as attunement, or even embodiment for that matter. The fact that Dasein never really gets a body, for serious it doesn't, beyond simply a locus of orientation for left and right, front and back, really challenges the possibility for mind/body dualism more so than the inattention to mind.

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Noodless or Trapt can help me out here. I have some ideas about what to write for my paper but wanted to see if you guys have any opinions about this topic. How would you guys compare/contrast the notion of Dasein (being-in-the-world) and the notion of dualism? Any ideas would be much appreciated. This is all based upon a close reading of Heidegger (as you very well know). Cheers.

Edit: I just found an excellent book concerning the very thing I'm investigating, titled Transformation: Thinking After Heidegger. Good stuff!
Dualism, as in mind/body dualism? Heidegger has that section refuting Descartes' method early on in the first part. The thinking that I assume that book is talking about, Heidegger's thinking in his late work, is very different than the thinking substance of Descartes. I wish I knew what you meant by dualism. Dualism in more contemporary phil. of mind stuff would be interesting utilizing Heidegger but I just don't think anywhere in B&T does he open the possibility for mind, maybe as attunement, or even embodiment for that matter. The fact that Dasein never really gets a body, for serious it doesn't, beyond simply a locus of orientation for left and right, front and back, really challenges the possibility for mind/body dualism more so than the inattention to mind.


You're right, I'm sorry for not clarifying this as much as possible. The question is exactly this: Based upon a close and in-depth reading of the Heidegger excerpt, write an essay in which you compare and contrast Heidegger’s notion of Dasein as Being-in-the-World, on the one hand, and the dominant view in the Western philosophical tradition which emphasizes the separateness from and overall independence of the cognitive subject (self. Ego, soul, etc.) in relation to the physical world beyond it, on the other. I hope this has more clarity.

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I think of selfs, egos, subjects in standard Western traditions as contained and packaged entities. Descartes can come up with his thinking ego outside of the world, Kant has a neatly packaged subject of apperception which constitutes the world (the transcendental object) as the perception of the transcendental object makes possible apperception through synthesis, even Hume's bundle of perceptions is still a neat bundle which if devoid of content would dissolve yet the perceptions which it is made of are perceptions of the world, not the world.

For Heidegger, though, subject and object can't be separated. He takes Kant further to some degree. Rather than having apperception related to transcendental object in a circle constituting the other, Heidegger smears that. Dasein is its possibilities in the world. It is not a list of ontic characteristics or attributes. It is what it does in the world. The concept of Dasein opens up the possibility of Butler, as I'm reading now, to say the subject is nothing except for when it is enacted, through gender, or Althusser to say the subject arise through interpellation of policing or Foucault to say the subject is simply what disciplinary apparatuses inscribe in the body.

The classic line on 42 of the German pagination that Dasein's essence is its existence is crucial. What Dasein is, its essence, is founded upon its existence, how it is in the world, acting and being acted upon. Dasein is always with others in this world; Dasein ontologically is always taking up and discarding possibilities; it is ontological that through these possibilities which Dasein partakes in, Dasein comes to understand itself. Dasein can never be known except through the world and maybe Heidi's refutation of Descartes would come up at that moment. I don't remember it clearly but it's something about substance rather ugh. Contra Berkeley's notion of a perceiving, constituting subject, Dasein is a meaning ascribing subject, a subject which would exist without the world insofar as its thought constitutes the world. The world only gains meaning through Dasein's interaction with it. Dasein is always within a world that is being orientated to Dasein.

Quick ramblings, hope that helps. I spouted that off the top of my head so I could probably be a bit more precise or lucid. Let me know if you want clarification. I mentioned enough moderns but also "post-moderns" so if you knew any of those you could take them up as a comparison. Descartes is the easy target, though, as always I guess. The more contemporary options would be super interesting for a paper insofar as they already reject what you are seeking to explain that Heidegger is rejecting but my personal biases are towards the 20th century theorists.

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I haven't read Heidegger so can't really help :(


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I haven't read Heidegger so can't really help :(


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oops :(

Grumpy right now because I got a 70 on my proposal for my essay. But pieces are coming together in my head about how to right the stuff the teacher thought was wrong about my idea. So mood on the upswing, hopefully. Still sick. And I think that either I'm getting stupider or expectations are getting higher or both. I bought a 10$ pen that's heavy and fun to write with. fuck yeah. Grades seem to be steadily headed downward, anyways.


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I think of selfs, egos, subjects in standard Western traditions as contained and packaged entities. Descartes can come up with his thinking ego outside of the world, Kant has a neatly packaged subject of apperception which constitutes the world (the transcendental object) as the perception of the transcendental object makes possible apperception through synthesis, even Hume's bundle of perceptions is still a neat bundle which if devoid of content would dissolve yet the perceptions which it is made of are perceptions of the world, not the world.

For Heidegger, though, subject and object can't be separated. He takes Kant further to some degree. Rather than having apperception related to transcendental object in a circle constituting the other, Heidegger smears that. Dasein is its possibilities in the world. It is not a list of ontic characteristics or attributes. It is what it does in the world. The concept of Dasein opens up the possibility of Butler, as I'm reading now, to say the subject is nothing except for when it is enacted, through gender, or Althusser to say the subject arise through interpellation of policing or Foucault to say the subject is simply what disciplinary apparatuses inscribe in the body.

The classic line on 42 of the German pagination that Dasein's essence is its existence is crucial. What Dasein is, its essence, is founded upon its existence, how it is in the world, acting and being acted upon. Dasein is always with others in this world; Dasein ontologically is always taking up and discarding possibilities; it is ontological that through these possibilities which Dasein partakes in, Dasein comes to understand itself. Dasein can never be known except through the world and maybe Heidi's refutation of Descartes would come up at that moment. I don't remember it clearly but it's something about substance rather ugh. Contra Berkeley's notion of a perceiving, constituting subject, Dasein is a meaning ascribing subject, a subject which would exist without the world insofar as its thought constitutes the world. The world only gains meaning through Dasein's interaction with it. Dasein is always within a world that is being orientated to Dasein.

Quick ramblings, hope that helps. I spouted that off the top of my head so I could probably be a bit more precise or lucid. Let me know if you want clarification. I mentioned enough moderns but also "post-moderns" so if you knew any of those you could take them up as a comparison. Descartes is the easy target, though, as always I guess. The more contemporary options would be super interesting for a paper insofar as they already reject what you are seeking to explain that Heidegger is rejecting but my personal biases are towards the 20th century theorists.


Thank you very much for taking the time to write this; it is much appreciated. I have a very good idea about Dasein and its characteristics and possibilities. I haven't read any Berkeley and have not really concentrated on post-modernism that much but I know somethings about it, nonetheless (although not enough to write a ten page essay on it, just yet). Yes, Descartes would be the obvious point of discussing this matter but I would rather approach it differently. I am meeting with my professor on Friday so I suppose I can ask for some sources as how to approach it from the modern and "post-modern" way in terms of what books I can use as secondary sources. Thanks again for your brainstorm. You have given me a pointer. Cheers. Approaching it from a Psychological standpoint can also be very interesting.

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oops :(

Grumpy right now because I got a 70 on my proposal for my essay. But pieces are coming together in my head about how to right the stuff the teacher thought was wrong about my idea. So mood on the upswing, hopefully. Still sick. And I think that either I'm getting stupider or expectations are getting higher or both. I bought a 10$ pen that's heavy and fun to write with. fuck yeah. Grades seem to be steadily headed downward, anyways.


People still use pens?

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