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Prove that that was the motivating factor.
And McCain was the one running, not Palin, in case you've forgotten.

Hey, Zad, why do you hate overweight people?
Oh, I know you''ll say that it is because they can control that, but, wait... not everybody that is overweight is so due to overeating... metabolism, glandular issues, etc. are also factors.
I know people that eat like birds, but can't stop gaining weight; conversely, I know people that eat like pigs and never pack on a pound.
As for those that do overeat; perhaps they are doing so for reasons you don't understand; loneliness, abuse, low self esteem... these are all things that have been shown to contribute to overeating, yet, you find it perfectly ok to say you hate them.
So it's not a self-control issue...

At the end of the day, isn't this just another kind of discrimination based on appearance?
What about excessive drinkers? Do you not find a lush to be disgusting? I do.

Cite some cases, then. And not supposition.
Since this all-permeating racism is so prevalent, I would think that it should be a simple matter to cite real, recent cases of these things.

Since the English subjugated my people in Ireland, and the result of this being that the Irish relied on potatoes to survive, and the potato famine driving my kin from their home and the fact that the Irish were treated like dogs upon arrival in the US, I guess if I go out and randomly attack Englishmen, that is alright, then?

Bullshit.

Cite some cases.

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Yes, resorted to namecalling; you didn't say Gary wotsisname you called him a douchebag.

A person's feelings can't be cited. It's an individual's experience. Are you denying that the things on the list I posted do not happen? Those are all examples of racism that has happened to countless individuals.

I never advocated that racist attacks are acceptable. Straw men ahoy!

Edit: Douchebag is obviously easier to type than Gary something rather. Not to mention the video infuriated me so the emotion was carried into the name calling. The arguments are still valid whether I write Gary Bobeck or "that festering cunt disguising himself as a man".

Ireland vs England = You attacking me?

CLEAR JOKE THAT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

McCain old man, die, Palin run country. Clearly, a majority of America agreed with my view of them, anyways.

As for teh fatties, that's no more comparable to racists than Devoted Walnut's hatred of emos. It's not real hatred. Serial killers get abused as children, yet it's perfectly fine to dislike them. And as a frequent excessive drinker myself, I find your remarks offensive.

I glanced over it, yes. One persons SUPPOSITIONS is not evidence of a systematic attempt to subjugate blacks. Feelings, perceptions and hearsay are not FACTS.
haha, apparently you are unaware of the irony of throwing out the old "straw man" tactic...

I thought as much.

but it is though; judging an entire group based on appearance is wrong, no?

The government has known for years that a hurricane was likely to cause dangerous flooding in New Orleans. The plans they made didn’t include any way to evacuate poor people (predominately African Americans) out of the city to safety. When Hurricane Katrina struck in 2005, much of the country saw on TV that thousands of people of color were stranded in the city without food, water, housing or safety due to flooding. The government was incredibly slow to rescue people, to provide food and shelter, and to help them rebuild their houses. Many people believe that if those stranded had been mostly white people the rescue efforts would have been much quicker and effective (or those responsible for the inadequate response would have all been fired from their jobs). When money did become available to start rebuilding, the first federal contracts went to white businessmen, so that white people accumulated more wealth as a result of the disaster. These businessmen built up what infrastructure was lucrative and didn't care to invest in other ventures. Houses for poor people rarely make much money so hence many people are still left homeless, without proper public education institutions or any type of basic service jobs.

hahahaha.... you're kidding, right?
So you are saying that FEMA deliberately let NO drown because of... racism?
Were the contracts supposed to go to BLACK businesses? Such as? And do you have proof that racism was the motivator for that, and not anything from sweetheart deals to the lowest bidder to insider one-hand-washing-the- other?

the fucking Mayor of NO was black, and hurricanes don't just pop out of nowhere, with no warning. So, he is absolved from all responsibility for his city? Why?
Plenty of incompetence to go around but citing that as proof of systematic racism, is , sorry, baseless.

what about the countless WHITE rescuers that risked their lives to try and evacuate them? And got shot at?
What about the looting and raping and mayhem that ensued?
Why is it that whenever a tornado strikes WITHOUT warning, practically, those communities unite and rebuild?
Or the SoCal wildfires that sweep through entire communities?

We're not seriously pretending that the black panther bit of black on white racism is comparable to anything other than the IRA, are we? YES there are criminals who are black as there are white; systematic white on black racism was prevalent for hundreds of years, and black on white wasn't, and that's all that I was saying before. Yes, nowadays some blacks are racist, some whites are, some Mexicans are, some Jews are. The government reaction to NO was slow, but I'm not saying that was from racism.

Please, the damage done by Katrina was on a MUCH greater scale than that done by tornadoes and wildfires. It's not even close...you're walking a pretty dangerous line debating what happened at Katrina there, V. There was no governmental aid for TWO DAYS--no water, no food, no anything. Was it because of race? It's impossible to say...I think that economic status definitely has something to do with it. Racism is a very difficult term to deal with--if you reword it as racial inequality then I think the point becomes much more clear. Would you debate that there are an extremely disproportionate number of blacks that live in poverty as opposed to whites? There must be something going on.

So you're unwilling to concede that racism happens on a personal level daily because it's "baseless suppositions" yet when I cite an example of a whole demographic section being left out of a prevention and evacuation planning it is a joke.

FEMA ignored an entire segment of the city which was predominantly black, is that not discrimination? Black people weren't cut out of these contracts; the contracts were simply set up that black in the city, citizens who have a right to be looked after by city, were ignored and cut out of the deals.

I've never seen these rescuers getting shot at I've heard so much about. Not a single account of murder or sexual assault was reported despite what the newscasts told you as they were standing outside of the city.

NO has united and rebuilt with no help from FEMA like tornado and wildfire victims receive.

A dangerous line?? hahaha.
oooh, I'll try and be careful.


The government's incompetence is racist?
Oh it MUST be...

as for black poverty, do you have any proof that that is due to racism? What about white poverty?
And do not speak to me of poverty...
WTF do you know about it?
Note the highlighted words.

Oh, so the crime in NO, both before, during and after Katrina is all a fabrication of the media, is it?


Oh, you didn't SEE it, therefore, it never happened... well I never see blacks being discrimainated against, so by your logic, it didn't happen.


You keep citing the CITY, well the CITY was run by Nagin, a black man.
So what's your point?
Again, the governments incompetence equating to blatant intentional racism is a big accusation; stating it as fact is not enough, that kind of accusation should be supported with facts and logic, not supposition and perception.

Wow... the video "infuriated" you... why?
So you admit to being overrun and controlled by emotion rather than reason.

Next.

Thanks for avoiding my actual argument I posted and zoning in on the offhand comment. The guy infuriated me because he was failing to describe and articulate basic ideas on racism and articulated his questions to get the answers he wanted, challenging people on the street as opposed to someone actually versed on the topic. Basically he pulled a micheal moore without the actual know how behind it.

It's cute that you try to portray yourself as the epitome of reason.

I mean, seriously I could state that everybody is against me, because, well, that is how I "feel".... doesn't mean it's true, now does it?

I thought that was the whole argument against religion, BTW, that there is no basis in scientific fact, only feelings and belief...
yet more selective reasoning.

nahh, I don't bother with emotive kneejerk reaction in lieu of reason and logic...

Next.

If there were thousands of people feeling like everybody was out to get you then I might give it more credence.

That's not my argument against religion. I just cite Ockham's Razor. Why posit an old man with a beard when we don't have to? Or a pyrhonnian argument of why why posit one religion over? Therefore just posit none

Finally just saw you're post on NO. Seriously, in an interview, the superintendent compass of the NOPD said in the NYT that "we have no official reports to document any murder. Not one official report of rape or sexual assualt" in the article "Fear Exceeded Crime's reality in New Orleans" Sept 29 2005.

So now we have these rescuers being shot at which I haven't seen (do enlighten me though with a video) and I'm supposed to believe this just like the crimes you claimed happened despite what the NOPD said?

A mayor of a city doesn't have ultimate power just like the president doesn't have ultimate power. I believe the evacuation plans were established before he was inaugurated, no?

Racism doesn't have to be blatant. It can be a latent function. Facts and logic as opposed to supposition and perception? When one is the oppressed, ignored and subjugated one sometimes has to rely on supposition and perception. Anyways I'm sure evidence is out there I just don't know of it. I hate these arguments where Rio doesn't swoop in with facts and know how.

Alas I must go to work now. It's been fun, v.

Coupla things, than I think I'm about done:
So you posit that the whole murder, rape, looting and shooting at rescuers was a media fabrication, then?
the same media that crucified Imus for his nappyheaded ho comments, yet breathed nary a whisper when a young Miley Cyrus was called a white bitch by jamie Foxx or at least by someone on his show?
the same media that had the Duke University students practically tried and convicted, even though the whole deal was exposed as a hoax?
the same media that covers up black on white crime on a regular basis?
Sure thing.

Second BILLIONS of people believe that there is a god, yet that is discounted by you... hmmm there's that selective reasoning again.

You state that Bush didn't have ultimate power, yet he was called... are you ready? A RACIST because of his inaction regarding Katrina.
Lastly, racism is either just that or it isn't. And I never said it doesn't happen, I am stating my agreement with the video that simplifying to simply white = racist, everybody else= not, is utter bullshit. This country has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the black man. look up AA, set asides, the trillions of dollars spent on leg up programs geared towards minorities, the allowance of their own exclusive organizations, etc, etc, I can go on and on. Not only that but excusing blacks violence and racism towards whites that had nothing to do with slavery or any of the institutions of Jim Crow (even than, it is not as if every white person was a part of that, either) is bogus, and you may accept it, but I sure as hell don't.
Please.


Speaking of perception... there are some that believe the Jews are running this country, the media and the banking system, a system that they "feel" is destroying this country, getting us in trouble with the ME, etc.... there are ample arguments to support this. Whether it is true or not (and I am neither endorsing it nor denying it), does that justify anti-Semitism?

selective reasoning...

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And no offense to RIO, as he is a a master debater , but anyone outside the US really isn't qualified to debate race relations in the US, for obvious reasons.