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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:27 pm 
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I don't listen to metal anymore, I haven't for months.


Go and find the first track from the new Nile, now. It's called "Kafir!" and it will shit you up. I know your stance when it comes to Nile is bendier than Heather Mills in a force-10 gale, but certain things are enough to bring even the servants of Allah out in a rash of headbanging.


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By the by, this guy's book might be of interest to you:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oc ... -bay-islam


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I don't listen to metal anymore, I haven't for months.

Is that because of religious reasons? I ask because I'm also Muslim (born and raised) but I don't really see any issues with listening to metal (obviously, since I post here).


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naw, I ain't listened to it seriously since way before I reverted. Interesting book, by the way.


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you and your kind are a dying breed and soon all people, straight and gay, will be able to marry and fuck all they want by themselves and there's nothing you can do about it; you and your apelike shit-eating kind with your shallow brows and closely spaced-eyes will die out one by one and the progressives will lay thorns on your graves.

edit- excusez-moi, I'm not going to be civil to someone like this. It's not done, not no way, not no how. Would you be civil to a racist who was spewing his hateful opinions?


This was back in April... how do you feel about this subject (homosexuality) now?
I am genuinely curious.


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Oh, as for homosexuality- the Sharia has a judgment on this. All of us have urges we should not act on; but if we repent, then Allah will forgive us; truthfully, if we did not sin, Allah would destroy us and create a new people that sinned. The point is the repentance.


This is based on the Qur'an and Hadith; it is nothing I can contradict.


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Oh, as for homosexuality- the Sharia has a judgment on this. All of us have urges we should not act on; but if we repent, then Allah will forgive us; truthfully, if we did not sin, Allah would destroy us and create a new people that sinned. The point is the repentance.


This is based on the Qur'an and Hadith; it is nothing I can contradict.


I was curious as to what your opinions on the matter are, not what Allah says.

That is a big turn-around, in less than 6 months.


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Oh, as for homosexuality- the Sharia has a judgment on this. All of us have urges we should not act on; but if we repent, then Allah will forgive us; truthfully, if we did not sin, Allah would destroy us and create a new people that sinned. The point is the repentance.


This is based on the Qur'an and Hadith; it is nothing I can contradict.


I was curious as to what your opinions on the matter are, not what Allah says.

That is a big turn-around, in less than 6 months.


Those were my opinions. If they were what Allah says then they would have been quotations from the Qur'an.

You of course realize that all things on the internet are over or understated, yes? At no point did I ever really want to murder people who thought gays should get married or lay thorns on their graves.


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Oh, as for homosexuality- the Sharia has a judgment on this. All of us have urges we should not act on; but if we repent, then Allah will forgive us; truthfully, if we did not sin, Allah would destroy us and create a new people that sinned. The point is the repentance.


This is based on the Qur'an and Hadith; it is nothing I can contradict.


I was curious as to what your opinions on the matter are, not what Allah says.

That is a big turn-around, in less than 6 months.


Those were my opinions. If they were what Allah says then they would have been quotations from the Qur'an.

You of course realize that all things on the internet are over or understated, yes? At no point did I ever really want to murder people who thought gays should get married or lay thorns on their graves.


No, I understand that. But, apparently now it is a "sin", and requires repentance...


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cry of the banshee wrote:
No, I understand that. But, apparently now it is a "sin", and requires repentance...


A lot of things I didn't think were a problem prior to reversion happen to be sins. This is different how?


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No, I understand that. But, apparently now it is a "sin", and requires repentance...


A lot of things I didn't think were a problem prior to reversion happen to be sins. This is different how?


No need to get defensive, it's just a pretty deep sea change in values.
You are not actually surprised that some would wonder "WTF?", are you?


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Will ye commit abomination knowingly? Must ye needs lust after men instead of women ? Nay, but ye are folk who act senselessly.--27:54-55

And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?
Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk. --7:80-81

What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males,
Male homosexual activities are condemned as unnatural.
And leave the wives your Lord created for you ? Nay, but ye are froward folk. --26:165-166


Just throwing that out there U.U

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I don't know... sounds like a-lotta baloney to me, if you get my meaning...
anything that requires sumbission, subjection and the like, well that shit's for the birds.

Live free or die!


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Liberals :rolleyes:

I kid, I kid. Of course some would be 'WTF,' I am in no way surprised.


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I'm still confused in the contradiction between Marxism and Islam. Do enlighten me.


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traptunderice wrote:
I'm still confused in the contradiction between Marxism and Islam. Do enlighten me.


Property rights are upheld in Islam.
A strong Islamic state is necessary to safeguard the spiritual condition of the Ummah.
Direct democracy is incompatible with Islam.

There are, however, many parallels, as both you and Muammar el-Qaddafi have noticed.


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I'm still confused in the contradiction between Marxism and Islam. Do enlighten me.


Property rights are upheld in Islam.
A strong Islamic state is necessary to safeguard the spiritual condition of the Ummah.
Direct democracy is incompatible with Islam.

There are, however, many parallels, as both you and Muammar el-Qaddafi have noticed.
Wow. As if Qaddaffi was coherent and not a joke.

So you're really interested in signing up for an ideology that upholds private property after believing at some point all that Marx said about private prop., one that supports a strong state probably led by a dictator and one that opposes direct democracy? I really hate having my wishes listened to. Well you don't seem to care about your wishes; your in submission to Allah.


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traptunderice wrote:
Wow. As if Qaddaffi was coherent and not a joke.

So you're really interested in signing up for an ideology that upholds private property after believing at some point all that Marx said about private prop., one that supports a strong state probably led by a dictator and one that opposes direct democracy? I really hate having my wishes listened to. Well you don't seem to care about your wishes; your in submission to Allah.


Nah, he's pretty much a joke now. His early years it was a little different.

'signing up for an ideology' yes, as if Marxism and Islam are somehow on the same plane. Make no mistake- they are not. Maybe from your perspective, but not from the perspective that I am ascribing to. Islam's perfection transcends Marx's ideas, fundamentally, right though some of them may be.

Who said anything about a dictator? I said a strong state. The enlightened community of believers reaching democratic consensuses is also a grand tradition in Sunni Islam. Not in Shi'a, but definitely in Sunni. I say 'direct' democracy because the enlightened community of believers does not include all individuals under the banner of the state.


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I want to hear more about these "sins".


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That sure is specific.


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