No, they didn't. It was Faith No More but the lads did it so well no one had anything to complain about...
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| Author: | Seinfeld26 [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Did Korn invent nu-metal? |
This should make for an interesting debate. Korn is often credited as the band that pioneered nu-metal with their self-titled album in 1994. But considering the fact that their self-titled album was really more of a punk/hardcore-influenced hip hop record than a metal record, would you necessarily agree with this? Does Korn really deserve the credit or does another band like, say, Sepultura (with the Roots album) deserve it? Or do you feel nu-metal could even be traced as far back as 1989 with Faith No More's classic rap-metal song Epic? (Note: I'm The Man doesn't count, since it was basically just Anthrax fooling around in the studio) In other words, where did nu-metal REALLY originate? |
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| Author: | Cú Chulainn [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:35 pm ] |
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Invent, no. Make it relevant? Yes. |
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| Author: | Dead Machine [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:37 pm ] |
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no, like every other genre of metal elements of it were drafted simultaneously by lots of different bands over the course of a few years and then Korn combined them all into one decently cohesive sound only to have everyone on the planet copy it for the next six year. there is no one inventor of nu-metal. |
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| Author: | Dago [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:26 pm ] |
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I have no idea. |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:04 pm ] |
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why do people call it post-grunge? |
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| Author: | Cú Chulainn [ Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:07 pm ] |
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stevelovesmoonspell wrote: why do people call it post-grunge?
Korn isn't post-grunge. Nickelback, Collective Soul, etc are post grunge. Usually when a genre is post-something it's indicating a style that came from one specific, closed genre and then became more open. |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:56 am ] |
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Dead Machine wrote: no, like every other genre of metal elements of it were drafted simultaneously by lots of different bands over the course of a few years and then Korn combined them all into one decently cohesive sound only to have everyone on the planet copy it for the next six year. This. A lot of the stuff you, Seinfeld, mentioned plus some other things. A lot of random experimentations on albums that would never be considered anything near the genre they influenced have a lot to do with genres starting. Coherent enough?
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| Author: | ganeshaRules [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:30 am ] |
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traptunderice wrote: Dead Machine wrote: no, like every other genre of metal elements of it were drafted simultaneously by lots of different bands over the course of a few years and then Korn combined them all into one decently cohesive sound only to have everyone on the planet copy it for the next six year. This. A lot of the stuff you, Seinfeld, mentioned plus some other things. A lot of random experimentations on albums that would never be considered anything near the genre they influenced have a lot to do with genres starting. Coherent enough?Yes... for example, Faith No More is really far from Nu-metal, but it fertilize the soil, as some crossover, funk-thrash, ethnic-thrash (Roots) & similar things. But first Korn is the first REAL Nu-metal album and the one , so,if I voted yes to Black Sabbath invented Metal, I have to vote yes to this one. Always is a process, but landmarks are landmarks. |
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| Author: | Seinfeld26 [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:23 am ] |
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traptunderice wrote: Dead Machine wrote: no, like every other genre of metal elements of it were drafted simultaneously by lots of different bands over the course of a few years and then Korn combined them all into one decently cohesive sound only to have everyone on the planet copy it for the next six year. This. A lot of the stuff you, Seinfeld, mentioned plus some other things. A lot of random experimentations on albums that would never be considered anything near the genre they influenced have a lot to do with genres starting. Coherent enough?Yes, it does. I'd also argue Pantera and Fear Factory were key players in establishing the nu-metal sound (even though they are certainly NOT nu-metal bands). |
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| Author: | Thy Serpent [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:51 pm ] |
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Yes, for the same reason that ganeshaRules gave. |
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| Author: | Radagast [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:03 pm ] |
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What Aaron said. No one really flat-out invents anything when it comes to music, some just happen to have more of their stuff copied than others, or are the first to mix the most of a varied set of elements together so that when lookd back upon years later it appears that they went out to specifically create something. Does that make sense? Like the first Sabbath album - it's not an out-and-out heavy metal record, but of all the stuff at the time that was in the same ball park it is the one that can be looked back on to have the most elements that were later recognised as metal. |
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| Author: | Satan's Anus [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:56 pm ] |
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FrigidSymphony wrote: Invent, no. Make it relevant? Yes.
Yup. Bands were doing that style long before Korn came about. |
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| Author: | Lucifer's Son [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:05 pm ] |
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No, they didn't. It was Faith No More but the lads did it so well no one had anything to complain about...
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| Author: | Legacy Of The Night [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:00 am ] |
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I wouldn't even classify Faith No More as Metal, much less Nu-Metal. I dunno how you can say they are. 
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| Author: | Skeksis [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:43 am ] |
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Legacy Of The Night wrote: I wouldn't even classify Faith No More as Metal, much less Nu-Metal. I dunno how you can say they are.
They had probably the biggest influence on the genre out of any band. But yeah, not nu-metal themselves. I agree with Korn not inventing it, but making it relevant. All the pieces were there, they just got the ball rolling. |
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| Author: | ganeshaRules [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:23 am ] |
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Lucifer's Son wrote: No, they didn't. It was Faith No More but the lads did it so well no one had anything to complain about...
Ironic, I suppose... But Korn is 100000 better than overrated Faith No More. Ironic note |
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| Author: | Lucifer's Son [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:40 am ] |
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ganeshaRules wrote: Lucifer's Son wrote: No, they didn't. It was Faith No More but the lads did it so well no one had anything to complain about... Ironic, I suppose... But Korn is 100000 better than overrated Faith No More. Ironic note 
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| Author: | Seinfeld26 [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:12 pm ] |
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Legacy Of The Night wrote: I wouldn't even classify Faith No More as Metal, much less Nu-Metal. I dunno how you can say they are.
Finally, somebody besides me who holds this opinion. |
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| Author: | Goat [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:45 pm ] |
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Faith No More not Metal?! At least admit they have Metallic elements, ffs. |
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| Author: | Legacy Of The Night [ Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:09 am ] |
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Besides Cucoo For Caca, Ugly In The Morning, Jizzlobber, and maybe a couple other exceptions, I really don't hear any Metal in their sound. |
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