Hit or Miss: The Beatles

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:42 am

SoulSociety wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Goat wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Goat wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

I can't believe that there are so many Zep haters when these same people like the Beatles. Personally, I only like a few Zeppelin songs (Kashmir, Stairway, Immigrant Song) and that's just because of Page, since I fucking hate Plant's vocals.

But Jesus, the Beatles are just a pop band at the end of the day. They were important because before them all you could listen to were those fucking crooners, so when they came out, the Beatles were a revelation. But now there are so many better bands to listen to that they are no longer relevant.

And in the 60s there was also Jimi Hendrix, who could fucking play, and even though his songs are too soft for my tastes, the likes of All Along the Watchtower and Machine Gun are still better than any Beatles song I've ever heard.

All Along The Watchtower's a Bob Dylan song, FYI.

Do you really wanna point out everything that's wrong about Soul Society's post? That a lot in so few lines...

Yeah, well, I was going to mention Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and all but couldn't be bothered. Dylan deserves more props around here.

And Gene Vincent (just an example). This man was NOT a crooner and had a surpising firepower. There are also a bunch of bluesmen (Howlin' Wolf comes to mind) that greatly deserve a mention here.

Well... I guess it was just an idiotic post by someone who, obviously, lacks the cultural references to properly comment on rock history. No offense Soul Society but your post was kinda full of shit.

OK yeah I forgot about All Along.... being Bob Dylan's originally, but whether you like it or not Beatles are pop, with some stuff having psychedelic lyrics, but that's it.

I mean, seriously you guys think that something like Penny Lane is musical genius? Please.

It all depends on how you interpret "genius". Quality can manifest itself in different forms, be it technique, production, complexity, or melody.

Not really true though, since if we take the example of Steve Vai, he has truckloads of technique, but does that make him a guitar genius? Compared to someone like Chuck Schuldiner? No fucking way.

I think Vai's genius is in his utterly original and versatile playing style, and to some extent in his songwriting, which can get boring easily, but is still really fucking good. Just look at Sex & Religion.
Of course, comparing Vai to Schuldiner isn't really fair, as the focus of each guitar player goes in a totally different direction.

Goat · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:50 am

metal_xxx wrote:

Anyone heard the Plastic Ono Band?

Yes, the self-titled is pretty good. Tread carefully with solo Lennon, though.

Thomas · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:01 pm

I like sole Lennon.. Weird but great if you're in the mood for it.

Goat · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:17 pm

metal_xxx wrote:

I like sole Lennon.. Weird but great if you're in the mood for it.

You should like POB, then, probably the best non-Beatles thing he's done, though I'm sure Lucifer's Son will disagree with me here...

Thomas · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:23 pm

My gf's father has the original LP, and it sounds great.. We just sat there listening, and taking in everything. Fucking awesome

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:56 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Goat wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Goat wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

I can't believe that there are so many Zep haters when these same people like the Beatles. Personally, I only like a few Zeppelin songs (Kashmir, Stairway, Immigrant Song) and that's just because of Page, since I fucking hate Plant's vocals.

But Jesus, the Beatles are just a pop band at the end of the day. They were important because before them all you could listen to were those fucking crooners, so when they came out, the Beatles were a revelation. But now there are so many better bands to listen to that they are no longer relevant.

And in the 60s there was also Jimi Hendrix, who could fucking play, and even though his songs are too soft for my tastes, the likes of All Along the Watchtower and Machine Gun are still better than any Beatles song I've ever heard.

All Along The Watchtower's a Bob Dylan song, FYI.

Do you really wanna point out everything that's wrong about Soul Society's post? That a lot in so few lines...

Yeah, well, I was going to mention Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and all but couldn't be bothered. Dylan deserves more props around here.

And Gene Vincent (just an example). This man was NOT a crooner and had a surpising firepower. There are also a bunch of bluesmen (Howlin' Wolf comes to mind) that greatly deserve a mention here.

Well... I guess it was just an idiotic post by someone who, obviously, lacks the cultural references to properly comment on rock history. No offense Soul Society but your post was kinda full of shit.

OK yeah I forgot about All Along.... being Bob Dylan's originally, but whether you like it or not Beatles are pop, with some stuff having psychedelic lyrics, but that's it.

I mean, seriously you guys think that something like Penny Lane is musical genius? Please.

It all depends on how you interpret "genius". Quality can manifest itself in different forms, be it technique, production, complexity, or melody.

Not really true though, since if we take the example of Steve Vai, he has truckloads of technique, but does that make him a guitar genius? Compared to someone like Chuck Schuldiner? No fucking way.

I think Vai's genius is in his utterly original and versatile playing style, and to some extent in his songwriting, which can get boring easily, but is still really fucking good. Just look at Sex & Religion.
Of course, comparing Vai to Schuldiner isn't really fair, as the focus of each guitar player goes in a totally different direction.

The thing is that technicality isn't something you can use to measure genius, as here both guitarists are extremely technical, but I think the vast majority of people here will tell you they'd much rather listen to Symbolic than Passion and Warfare.

That being said, the likes of Rotting Christ's Thy Mighty Contract has simple, non- technical riffing and leads, but it's a classic that is better than many, many more albums featuring much more technical stuff.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:18 pm

SoulSociety wrote:

That being said, the likes of Rotting Christ's Thy Mighty Contract has simple, non- technical riffing and leads, but it's a classic that is better than many, many more albums featuring much more technical stuff.

Which proves our point that Penny Lane isn't a bad song.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:22 pm

I was just saying that technicality can be a part of genius. If you're just fast, that's boring, but if you have absolute mastery of the guitar and can use to express yourself incredibly well like Vai does, then it's something else.

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

Vai was awesome with Zappa and is boring as a solo artist... All the mastery and technicality is nothing without songs and imagination.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:27 pm

But there are songs and imagination. Reflections: Real Illusions, Sex & Religion, Flex-Able are all great and really emotional.

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

booooooooooooring... :zzz:

Sorry, but I really don't get all the Vai-praise.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:31 pm

Lucifer's Son wrote:

booooooooooooring... :zzz:

Sorry, but I really don't get all the Vai-praise.

If you haven't checked out Sex & Religion, I'd recommend it. If you have, well, opinions are simply opinions.

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

traptunderice wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

booooooooooooring... :zzz:

Sorry, but I really don't get all the Vai-praise.

If you haven't checked out Sex & Religion, I'd recommend it. If you have, well, opinions are simply opinions.

I love Devin so I've checked it. Didn't do anything for me.

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:11 am

I never liked any of the ex-Beatles solo material. They were great when they were together, and wrote some amazing stuff, but when they split, they never really did anything that great. I also like how the formed in 1960 and broke up in 1970. It's like the Beatles were more of a magical entity of the '60s than anything.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:44 am

traptunderice wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

That being said, the likes of Rotting Christ's Thy Mighty Contract has simple, non- technical riffing and leads, but it's a classic that is better than many, many more albums featuring much more technical stuff.

Which proves our point that Penny Lane isn't a bad song.

Yeah ok, but it's not like there's some sort of atmosphere to make it interesting. And in any case I find it almost offensive to compare Rotting Christ to the Beatles.

To each his own I guess, though I've actually heard Beatles songs, so there's no way I'm going to be convinced otherwise that there stuff is nothing but pop being played by actual instruments, instead of the turds that pass for music on MTV these days.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:48 am

Lucifer's Son wrote:

booooooooooooring... :zzz:

Sorry, but I really don't get all the Vai-praise.

+1, he's got some really awesome classic tracks, like For the Love of God, which is sublime, but otherwise I get bored listening to a whole album of instrumental guitar wankery. IMO the technicality needs to be used in the context of a song. Which is why I have to check out Sex and Religion.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:33 am

SoulSociety wrote:

And in any case I find it almost offensive to compare Rotting Christ to the Beatles.

At least Dave Mustaine agrees with you there!

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:45 am

Goat wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

And in any case I find it almost offensive to compare Rotting Christ to the Beatles.

At least Dave Mustaine agrees with you there!

Don't get me started.

Rhys · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:58 pm

SoulSociety wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

That being said, the likes of Rotting Christ's Thy Mighty Contract has simple, non- technical riffing and leads, but it's a classic that is better than many, many more albums featuring much more technical stuff.

Which proves our point that Penny Lane isn't a bad song.

Yeah ok, but it's not like there's some sort of atmosphere to make it interesting. And in any case I find it almost offensive to compare Rotting Christ to the Beatles.

To each his own I guess, though I've actually heard Beatles songs, so there's no way I'm going to be convinced otherwise that there stuff is nothing but pop being played by actual instruments, instead of the turds that pass for music on MTV these days.

Helter Skelter is the first black metal song ever motherfucker.

Listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Happiness Is A Warm Gun and I Want You (She's So Heavy), all absolute examples of how The Beatles invented rock and roll and saved the earth from aliens.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:32 pm

following the reaper wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

That being said, the likes of Rotting Christ's Thy Mighty Contract has simple, non- technical riffing and leads, but it's a classic that is better than many, many more albums featuring much more technical stuff.

Which proves our point that Penny Lane isn't a bad song.

Yeah ok, but it's not like there's some sort of atmosphere to make it interesting. And in any case I find it almost offensive to compare Rotting Christ to the Beatles.

To each his own I guess, though I've actually heard Beatles songs, so there's no way I'm going to be convinced otherwise that there stuff is nothing but pop being played by actual instruments, instead of the turds that pass for music on MTV these days.

Helter Skelter is the first black metal song ever motherfucker.

Listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Happiness Is A Warm Gun and I Want You (She's So Heavy), all absolute examples of how The Beatles invented rock and roll and saved the earth from aliens.

First: If anything Helter Skelter is proto punk, there's no fucking way that's related to black metal, which always required elements such as blast beats, tremolo picking and extreme vocals. In any case most people here are (probably) of the opinion that bands like Dimmu Borgir are not BM, so if they aren't BM what is Helter Skelter?

Second: Yes, I acknowledge that they did invent rock and roll, I'm just saying that way better stuff has come out since. Hell, I prefer the Rolling Stones, some of their songs like Satisfaction, It's Only Rock and Roll (But I Like It), You Can't Always Get What You Want and Gimme Shelter are good stuff.

In any case, that's my opinion.

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