Metal Reviews

Interestingly, there are many purists in jazz too who would argue that jazz music should be an exclusively African-American artform based fully aroud the blues. However these traditionalists, while influential, do not prevent experimentation from taking place as effectively as their equivalents in the metal world.

Of course, there is a lot of innovation in metal, but IMO it takes an experienced ear to tell when a metal band is trying something completely new, because to the uninitiated it would all sound the same.

I like it(well some of it), and don't give a fuck what many closed minded fans think. Point is Metal is the most diverse music--it reaches all extremes--can be extremely light or extremely heavy, can be extremely clear or extremely muddy/noisy, can be extremely fast or extremely slow, can incorporate any musical instrument and any vocal type and any lyrical theme. Please show me any jazz band that does death metal vocals or any jazz band that sings about forest of unicorns or raping dead babies? Metal is superior to any one genre, especially Jazz.

I think metal is superior if only for it's incredible diversity, but that's far from being the only reason.

Jazz comes in second.

but then on the other hand, jazz doesn't have so many shit bands :roll:

it's simply because Jazz is way less popular than metal (well, it sells less albums anyway) so only the best artists get a recording deal... :roll:

so, is it a good or a bad thing ? I'm not so sure... :?

I'm afriad you are utterly incorrect. I challenge you to name me two metal bands that sound more different that two groups from opposite ends of the jazz spectrum... Compare something like John Zorn's Painkiller or Jan garbareks Hilliard Ensemble stuff, which some would consider jazz, to Louis Armstrong. They don't share any common instruments, completely different harmonic vocabularies.

I've heard jazz bands incorporate DM vocals... I've heard jazz bands with records called "Guts of a Virgin", for example. Not only are there some slow jazz bands and some fast ones: Sometimes a band will have a fast song and a slow song ON THE SAME ALBUM! :shock: (In metal we often have bands famous for either playing really fast or really slow, and not really mixing it up).

I still prefer metal to listen to, but the reason for this is certainly not its diversity.

Why you listened to all the jazz bands already? :roll:

If you fail to see how diverse metal is, then you definitely need to broaden your metal listening interests. There is a good reason why jazz isn't popular anymore and that is because people want music/songs that actually do something, not some mindless playing and showing off their musical instrument skills. To me jazz is one of useless and most uninteresting music genres ever created, even worse than rap.

As for diversity in metal try these extremes: Rage Against the Machine, Rhapsody, Virgin Steele, Therion, Mercyful Fate, Astral Doors, 3 Inches of Blood, Six Feet Under, Paradise Lost, Dream Theater, Motorhead, System of a Down, Bon Jovi, Avantasia, Lordian Guard, Tarot, Marylin Manson, Thunderstone, Rotting Christ, Armored Saint, Clutch, Evergrey, Lordi, Biomechanical, Blind Guardian, Edenbridge, Time Requiem, Kamelot, etc. and tell me if they sound similar to you.

considering that they all use guitars, bass guitars, drums & vocals... yes ! they sound very similar when compared to extremes jazz can go on.... :roll:

I am talking about the overall sound they produce, who cares what instruments are being used. Metal can use ANY additional instruments and sound effects without any problem.

Also human voice is one of the greatest and most important instruments, Jazz for the most parts is instrumental. And don't try to tell me that sax, piano and drums aren't extremely common in jazz.

my point is jazz using very various formations and styles (from Ragtime to freejazz !) that is far more diverse than metal acts that use always the same instruments... I know Rio made the exact same point but you failed to understand it... I hope you will now... :roll:

to sum up everything, name me 1 metal band without vocals (very easy), 1 without drums, 1 without bass guitar, 1 without guitar and finally one without any of those 4 components... can you do that with metal ? I sure can do it with Jazz ! :twisted:

like I said using or not using instruments matters not to me, what does matter is the actual sound diversity. Jazz sucks no matter what instruments they use or don't use. And in metal there are plenty of various solos/passages--flute, violin, cello, drums, bass, guitar, vocals, keyboards, sax, orchestra, piano, organ, acoustic guitar, percussion, banjo, bagpipes, etc. Not to mention there are big variations of guitars and drums and how you tune them.

"when the wise man points at the moon the fool watches his finger"

that's how I feel about you WiC, I pity you, I really do :(

I could probably pull up four cybergrind bands who don't use any traditional instruments for your list, TIE.

In fact, I'm going to make them up.

Squirrel Dissection Party - no bass
Erogenecidal Maniaxe - no drums
NUKE THEM FROM SPACE - no lead
Necronazi Assbutchers - no singer

heehee

Both Jazz and Metal have incredibly creative moments, but I'd say Metal as a whole has a lot more derivative bands.

yes pity me because I hate your lame jazz, soon it will be totally instinct because the only way it can compete with other music is by claiming how flexible and skilled their musicians are and how diverse they are because they don't have to use the sax all the time, which IMO one of the most annoying instruments. So please go join a jazz forum if there is one and leave us alone to our metal.

metal has more bands period. And the fact that metal is so diverse while still using common istruments like guitar, bass and drums is only a plus because it shows that there is still plenty of room for growth and originality and expanssion.

WiC... seriously, nobody said diverse was good ! we don't ask you to admit that jazz is superior to metal or anything.. it's not even a love/hate matter we're talking about here.... just face the facts, Jazz is far more diverse than metal and that doesn't mean it's BETTER...

and, for your information I like Metal better than Jazz... :roll:

hey Lizard ! what about a metal band without any of those ??? can you do it too ? :twisted: