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Dudeguy · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:40 pm

i do have Alien, its a good cd, very very very weird lyrics though. Strapping Young Lad is a unique band

Radical Cut · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:19 am **Posts:** 960

valefor wrote:

Radical Cut wrote:

Jay@MetalReviews wrote:

Many people have extolled the virtues of Between the Buried and Me so I checked out their album. IT SUCKS!! I couldn't stand the vocals at all. That guy sounded like a monkey vomiting up razor blades. The drummer was pretty good but the riffs got boring. FAST. By the fifth song, I couldn't tell the tracks apart anymore. Lucky I didn't review this 'cause I would have slammed it.

For once we agree. BTBAM is another band that I can't stop hearing about when I'm around the hardcore scene around here, or chatting it up on the magical internet. The vocals are awful all around, the melodic slow parts are meandering and border on just plain annoying, and the metal is generic.

Hmmm... not tryng to start a fight here, but didn't you level a whole slew of criticism towards me and "others" for using "cookie cutter" and "pseudo-criticisms" at SOAD?
Awful, meandering, boring, generic... not much different than what I said about SOAD...
Basically it all boils down to whether or not a band does the job for you or not.
V.

I was simply commenting on the impression they left on me, I never purported that post to be anything more than that. The difference between these two situations is that I am not going to sit here for pages upon pages and defend my post without adding anything to my argument. Obviously those terms are more or less subjective, but I can elaborate, since I actually have listened to the material in question.

If you really want to talk about the pros and cons of BTBAM then go ahead, if not then you made your point, but I still stand by what I said in the other thread. Not only did I accuse you of those things you mentioned, but my main problem was that I thought they were hopelessly off and without backing.

Radical Cut · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:19 am **Posts:** 960

valefor wrote:

Radical Cut wrote:

Dudeguy wrote:

I like BTBAM because for some of there songs they add melodic vocals to there music, any band that can add that to a metal style of music deserves a listen, Killswitch Engage, Trivium, and It Dies Today are bands that have melodic vocals.

You haven't been into metal long have you? You know that the first metal bands were comprised entirely of clean singing, right?

Those bands you listed take their cues from older bands, and those bands usually had much better singers, and the people on this forum would probably be happy to recommend you some things to check out. Since you have a thing for singing, a few bands that you should check out for their use of both "dirty" and clean vocals and general ability to rock face would be:

Emperor
Strapping Young Lad
Edge of Sanity
Ephel Duath (Phormula though, not Painter's Palette)

All clean vocals:

Arcturus
Winds

Early Arcturus (their best work, IMO) actually employs little in the clean vocal catergory...
V.

You got me. I rarely mean anything other than the last two albums when I mention Arcturus. I far prefer the later stuff, even though Aspera is excellent and My Angel is ridiculously awesome, especially for it's time. I just hardly ever get around to listening to the first few things so they stay at the back of my mind.

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:27 pm

Radical Cut wrote:

valefor wrote:

Radical Cut wrote:

Jay@MetalReviews wrote:

Many people have extolled the virtues of Between the Buried and Me so I checked out their album. IT SUCKS!! I couldn't stand the vocals at all. That guy sounded like a monkey vomiting up razor blades. The drummer was pretty good but the riffs got boring. FAST. By the fifth song, I couldn't tell the tracks apart anymore. Lucky I didn't review this 'cause I would have slammed it.

For once we agree. BTBAM is another band that I can't stop hearing about when I'm around the hardcore scene around here, or chatting it up on the magical internet. The vocals are awful all around, the melodic slow parts are meandering and border on just plain annoying, and the metal is generic.

Hmmm... not tryng to start a fight here, but didn't you level a whole slew of criticism towards me and "others" for using "cookie cutter" and "pseudo-criticisms" at SOAD?
Awful, meandering, boring, generic... not much different than what I said about SOAD...
Basically it all boils down to whether or not a band does the job for you or not.
V.

I was simply commenting on the impression they left on me, I never purported that post to be anything more than that. The difference between these two situations is that I am not going to sit here for pages upon pages and defend my post without adding anything to my argument. Obviously those terms are more or less subjective, but I can elaborate, since I actually have listened to the material in question.

If you really want to talk about the pros and cons of BTBAM then go ahead, if not then you made your point, but I still stand by what I said in the other thread. Not only did I accuse you of those things you mentioned, but my main problem was that I thought they were hopelessly off and without backing.

Fair enough, but I also listened to SOAD and came to the conclusions I had drawn as a result of that....
aesthetics, or art or whatever you call it is extremely subjective... one mans art is another mans tripe.
perhaps my tone was a bit harsh in my critique of SOAD, but I really can;t stand them.
I hope getting off on the wrong foot in our introduction to each other is a thing of the past.
V.

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:29 pm

Radical Cut wrote:

valefor wrote:

Radical Cut wrote:

Dudeguy wrote:

I like BTBAM because for some of there songs they add melodic vocals to there music, any band that can add that to a metal style of music deserves a listen, Killswitch Engage, Trivium, and It Dies Today are bands that have melodic vocals.

You haven't been into metal long have you? You know that the first metal bands were comprised entirely of clean singing, right?

Those bands you listed take their cues from older bands, and those bands usually had much better singers, and the people on this forum would probably be happy to recommend you some things to check out. Since you have a thing for singing, a few bands that you should check out for their use of both "dirty" and clean vocals and general ability to rock face would be:

Emperor
Strapping Young Lad
Edge of Sanity
Ephel Duath (Phormula though, not Painter's Palette)

All clean vocals:

Arcturus
Winds

Early Arcturus (their best work, IMO) actually employs little in the clean vocal catergory...
V.

You got me. I rarely mean anything other than the last two albums when I mention Arcturus. I far prefer the later stuff, even though Aspera is excellent and My Angel is ridiculously awesome, especially for it's time. I just hardly ever get around to listening to the first few things so they stay at the back of my mind.

Yeah, Arcturus are ridiculously talented.
V.

Radical Cut · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:19 am **Posts:** 960

valefor wrote:

Radical Cut wrote:

valefor wrote:

Radical Cut wrote:

Jay@MetalReviews wrote:

Many people have extolled the virtues of Between the Buried and Me so I checked out their album. IT SUCKS!! I couldn't stand the vocals at all. That guy sounded like a monkey vomiting up razor blades. The drummer was pretty good but the riffs got boring. FAST. By the fifth song, I couldn't tell the tracks apart anymore. Lucky I didn't review this 'cause I would have slammed it.

For once we agree. BTBAM is another band that I can't stop hearing about when I'm around the hardcore scene around here, or chatting it up on the magical internet. The vocals are awful all around, the melodic slow parts are meandering and border on just plain annoying, and the metal is generic.

Hmmm... not tryng to start a fight here, but didn't you level a whole slew of criticism towards me and "others" for using "cookie cutter" and "pseudo-criticisms" at SOAD?
Awful, meandering, boring, generic... not much different than what I said about SOAD...
Basically it all boils down to whether or not a band does the job for you or not.
V.

I was simply commenting on the impression they left on me, I never purported that post to be anything more than that. The difference between these two situations is that I am not going to sit here for pages upon pages and defend my post without adding anything to my argument. Obviously those terms are more or less subjective, but I can elaborate, since I actually have listened to the material in question.

If you really want to talk about the pros and cons of BTBAM then go ahead, if not then you made your point, but I still stand by what I said in the other thread. Not only did I accuse you of those things you mentioned, but my main problem was that I thought they were hopelessly off and without backing.

Fair enough, but I also listened to SOAD and came to the conclusions I had drawn as a result of that....
aesthetics, or art or whatever you call it is extremely subjective... one mans art is another mans tripe.
perhaps my tone was a bit harsh in my critique of SOAD, but I really can;t stand them.
I hope getting off on the wrong foot in our introduction to each other is a thing of the past.
V.

Sure man. I have no problems with you, I just get really into music discussion and have a tendency to rub people the wrong way, and similarly get easily fired up over things. It's all good.

rio · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:36 pm

Hooray!

Dudeguy · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:58 pm

Radical Cut you are the man, you dont know your own strength. Personaly i could care less when you proove me wrong or make a point, cause hey thats the reason why i signed up on this web site, to meet cool people and talk about music, and you are cool and can def talk about music. And to continue about the bands with Melodic Vocals, the bands i listed have more melodic...melodic vocals

North From Here · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:00 pm

Um, Valefor is pretty awesome too. His reviews and black metal rants are what got me interested in this site. Cheers to reconciliation.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:00 pm

We're all amazing. Give yourselves a big round of applause, people.

Dudeguy · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:36 pm

lol yeah we should pat ourselves on the back

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

Ya, without me this place would just fall apart. *Applause.

Sifl · **Posted:** Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:55 pm

:cry: Its so beautiful to get along.

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