Metal Reviews

I checked out "Giant Steps" by John Coltrane. I can tell he is very talented, but the music doesn't do much for me. It makes great backround music though. I guess I'm not a jazz fan.

Miles Davis rules.

like all musics you have to do "ear training" in order to get used to it... then only you can tell if Jazz is for you or not... :roll:

Giant Steps is a very bad place to start, I think. For Coltrane, try "Blue Train"... IMO one of his more underrated albums, but it is absolutely perfect.

It is not an exaggeration to say that the cream of the cream of the very best drummers in Rock and Metal would be considered average skilled in the Jazz world. When Jazz got popular in the 70's by adding Rock elements, some Rock drummers tried to play with Jazz-Rock/Fusion groups but they were immedately thrown out because they lacked flexibility (Ginger Baker was the only exeption, I guess).
The mighty Elvin Jones could play four different odd time signatures at once and combine them in a way that the remaining gaps made the basic rhythm. No matter if such artistic paying this pointless or not, it just proofs that a world class Jazz drummer can play everything that is in his imagination.

It's quite easy to find out if Jazz is the right thing for you: Listen to John Coltrane's Love Supreme and to Miles Davis' Kind of Blue. (No coincidence that T.I.E. also mentioned these. 95% of all Jazz lovers will do so - these albums are for Jazz what ITNSE is for BM.) If you don't like them, it's hopeless.

BTW, I once read in his forum that BM is the genre with the greatest diversity. I don't remember who said this, but for sure he has no idea about Jazz.

I am more than satisfied with most metal drummers. And I don't really care how fast somebody can play an instrument.

Jazz drumming is more about technique and finesse than speed. The things they pull off... it's mind-boggling, I tell you.

I once saw a Jazz drummer pull off this incredible drum solo that was just as good, if not a little better, than the one Flo Mounier does on the Cryptopsy DVD.

I got into a lot of guitar jazz and jazz/fusion stuff when i was still taking guitar lessons. Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Mahavishnu Orchestra (duh!) and stuff. Django Reinhardt is killer too.
Other than guitarists, i like Coltrane, Monk and Davis. I should get more into the old stuff, really.

IMO the best of times for Jazz was from the late 50's to the late 60's... and Coltrane is the GREATEST of all !

Well, obviously you'd remember the music of your childhood with fondness....

ZING!

I vaguely remember saying something like that, BM is indeed diverse. hehe just wondering, since you mentioned ITNE, how would Tyrm match up to those drummers?

I bet Hellhammer could be a Jazz drummer... Maybe...

I don't think it was, but it could have been me if it's meant as the subgenre of metal with greatest diversity. Jazz is a rough term, like metal is. Ofcourse metal shows more diversity than black metal, because black metal is a subgenre of metal.

Jazz will always be vastly more diverse than metal. (not that this makes it a better genre, just more diverse!)

This is because of instrumentation, to name just one of a few reasons. Any metal band that does not have a guitar is regarded as a bit freakish, as with a bassist or drummer, or vocalist. In addition, any instrument outside that lineup except keyboards is regarded as something of a novelty.

In jazz, completely off-the-wall instrumental lineups are poitively encouraged.

Also, jazz fans are (usually) less conservative musically.

There is no music genre more diverse than metal.

I agree with WinterIsComing; you see, I've heard every song ever written in every genre.. :roll:

Metal can incorporate almost any genre and still be metal--classical, rap, electronic, pop, folk, funk, blues, jazz, raggae, etc. There is no limit to metal, mwhahahahaha.

ok, there you clearly shown your limit ! :twisted:

btw, you can incorporate any other music in jazz too !

You're right there... because of course when metal was fused with rap all the long-time metal fans embraced it fully and didn't complain or make fun about it once.