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Zadok
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Agreed with Aaron on Crowbar, and there are a few sludge bands people ignore because of the vocals, yet are quite happy listening to 3 Inches Of Blood. Strange.
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Meads Of Asphodel, one of the most unique and experimental bands in existance, and they get ignored. Why?
Tribes Of Neurot, like Neurosis but more ambient, still amazing stuff.
Early Mortiis, and his various side-projects. An acquired taste, but brilliant music.
Enslaved haven't made a bad album.
And why do people listen to Cradle and Dimmu when there are far better bands out there, such as Tvangeste and Tidfall? |
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Seinfeld26
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| Eyesore wrote: |
I think Better Than Raw is fucking awesome! I've not heard many people talk down about that one, I could swap Better Than Raw with Rabbit Don't Come Easy and repost what you just wrote. I think that is an album that is horribly underrated.
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Not that Better Than Raw was ever slammed by metal fans. But that album is just so fucking amazing that it easily ranks among my top 5 favorite power metal albums (ditto to 2000's The Dark Ride). It just seems somewhat overlooked now because of all the praise and fanfare the two Keepers albums get. Not that those aren't also excellent albums, but for me Helloween is a rare example of a band whose best work happens to be their most recent.
I do agree that Rabbit... is also very underrated. Actually, it was probably the closest Deris-era Helloween ever got to the Keepers sound (though I still have yet to seriously listen to The Legacy).
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The Glorious Burder is a great album, but I feel like the production is a bit weak, it lacks a heavy, bottom-end. It sort of sounds like it came out in the 80's, to me. The biggest problem with the album is that it comes off sort of like Tribute To The Gods does, a little uninspired. Owens is a great vocalist, but these don't sound like he was singing like they were his songs! The same way Barlow came off a bit weak on most of the songs on Tribute To The Gods. Owens does a great job, but he isn't emotionally involved with the songs, he's just singing them. That's my complaint. I still really like the album, though.
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Ha! If you think the production on the final Glorious Burden album is weak, you should listen to the production on The Reckoning EP that was released a few months prior (yep, I'm such an Iced Earth fanboy that I bought The Reckoning EP despite the fact that TGB was being released just a couple weeks later) - sounds almost like it came out of a garage.
Anyway, I didn't really find the production on TGB to be much weaker than it was on previous Iced Earth albums. Their drummers have always sounded (to me) like they were drumming on Quaker Oat Meal boxes and their guitar sound was always somewhat flat (possibly because of the Eb tuning they generally used). Sometimes I think reviewers purposely slammed TGB because of the way Jon Schaffer was ranting and raving about it every three seconds rather than because of the actual musical quality. |
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Seinfeld26
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| MetalStorm wrote: | | Eyesore wrote: | | MetalStorm wrote: | Biomechanical-8 Moons
Biomechanical-The Empires Of The Worlds
Highland Glory-Forever Endeavor
Lost Horizon-A Flame To The Ground Beneath
Nightwish-Oceanborn
Nightwish-Wishmaster
Epica-Consign To Oblivion
Symphony X-V
Symphony X-The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
Judas Priest-All 70's material
Thunderstone-The Burning
Tarot-Suffer Our Pleasures
Thy Majestie-Hastings 1066 |
I'll have to disagree and say that most of those albums are generally considered to be very good. |
Oh I agree but you haven't been on other music forums most of these if not all are underrated and underappreciated by a bunch of people. |
A lot of great/popular metal albums have their rebels. Saying Judas Priest's '70s material is underrated would be like saying the game Final Fantasy VII is underrated. Yeah, there are the "rebels" who have to be different and say, "Judas Priest was garbage until Hell Bent For Leather/Defenders Of The Faith" or "Final Fantasy VII is crap. FF6 was the last good Final Fantasy." But the general consensus is that these are considered masterpieces. Hell, Stained Glass by JP is widely regarded as one of the greatest metal albums of all time. THE greatest by the guy that runs the BNR Metal Pages. |
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Eternal Idol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Radagast wrote: | | Also the first three albums by Black Sabbath with Tony Martin on vocals (I haven't heard the final two) are generally ignored, but are all excellent 80s Power Metal. Tyr, in particluar, is a brilliant album. I'd concede Headless Cross is maybe too repetitive (especially the lyrics) but still a great album. |
I agree. As for the last two, Cross Puposes is excellent. It has an Ozzy era feel to the riffing and Tony Martin is always top notch. Evil Eye is one of the best songs to come from that era. As for the final one Forbidden, it should be forbbiden to exist. Lame, boring, repetive songs and a collaboration with Ice T? |
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Eyesore
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Seinfeld26 wrote: | | Eyesore wrote: |
I think Better Than Raw is fucking awesome! I've not heard many people talk down about that one, I could swap Better Than Raw with Rabbit Don't Come Easy and repost what you just wrote. I think that is an album that is horribly underrated.
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Not that Better Than Raw was ever slammed by metal fans. But that album is just so fucking amazing that it easily ranks among my top 5 favorite power metal albums (ditto to 2000's The Dark Ride). It just seems somewhat overlooked now because of all the praise and fanfare the two Keepers albums get. Not that those aren't also excellent albums, but for me Helloween is a rare example of a band whose best work happens to be their most recent. |
It's funny, I love The Dark Ride, but I honestly don't see what the big deal is with that one. It's a great album, but I think many other Helloween albums blow it away.
| Seinfeld26 wrote: | | I do agree that Rabbit... is also very underrated. Actually, it was probably the closest Deris-era Helloween ever got to the Keepers sound (though I still have yet to seriously listen to The Legacy). |
Weirdo. :roll:
| Eyesore wrote: | | Seinfeld26 wrote: |
The Glorious Burder is a great album, but I feel like the production is a bit weak, it lacks a heavy, bottom-end. It sort of sounds like it came out in the 80's, to me. The biggest problem with the album is that it comes off sort of like Tribute To The Gods does, a little uninspired. Owens is a great vocalist, but these don't sound like he was singing like they were his songs! The same way Barlow came off a bit weak on most of the songs on Tribute To The Gods. Owens does a great job, but he isn't emotionally involved with the songs, he's just singing them. That's my complaint. I still really like the album, though.
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Ha! If you think the production on the final Glorious Burden album is weak, you should listen to the production on The Reckoning EP that was released a few months prior (yep, I'm such an Iced Earth fanboy that I bought The Reckoning EP despite the fact that TGB was being released just a couple weeks later) - sounds almost like it came out of a garage.
Anyway, I didn't really find the production on TGB to be much weaker than it was on previous Iced Earth albums. Their drummers have always sounded (to me) like they were drumming on Quaker Oat Meal boxes and their guitar sound was always somewhat flat (possibly because of the Eb tuning they generally used). Sometimes I think reviewers purposely slammed TGB because of the way Jon Schaffer was ranting and raving about it every three seconds rather than because of the actual musical quality. |
I have The Reckoning EP! Is there a difference? I admit to buying it because I'm a fanboy and not giving it much listen, but it's different huh? I'll have to listen to it. As for TGB, the production is weak, definitely. The volume level on it is lower than Something Wicked and Horror Show! It just came out and it needs to be fucking remastered!! :shock: I just hear very little bass and bottom end on TGB, it could use an overhaul, a remix and remaster,
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Anonymous
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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At The Gates- Terminal Spirit Disease
ZOMG AT THE GATES IS POPULAR POST.
I know, but everyone always seems to only talk about Slaughter of the Soul and forget they have 3 other great full lengths, terminal spirit disease being their best. |
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deathkvlt
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Meads of Asphodel (I'll think I'll review the latest one). Also Forest of Fog (doesn't even have a record deal) and Woods of Ypres aren't very known outside these forums, which is a shame because the music is great.
Also Thursday - War All The Time is a great album that is overlooked... it's labeled Emo so most people won't give it a chance and most people into Emo don't seem to care about it... I think it's very good.
Also Sparta's first album, Wiretap Scars is very cool, but it seems like it was shadowed by The Mars Volta... oh well. |
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The_Voice
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Sinner - The End Of Sanctuary, a very good album and band that is overshadowed by Primal Fear. |
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noodles
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| PyroMan wrote: | | noodles wrote: |
Kiuas - The Spirit of Ukko (it may be inconsistent, but its damn good)
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What do you mean "inconsistent". There is not one weak song on that album. It's a fucking 99 (That 1% goes because they didn't include Winter In June). And if we are talking about underrated albums this one isn't one of them. It's still quite new and many people haven't even heard of it yet to make an opinion.
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I thought thats what one of the definitions of underrated was =(. I guess I'm thinking of something along the lines of underappreciated or something... and as for the inconsistent thing, I find that the first and last songs are better than everything else on the album. Overall though the album ranges from "awesomely good" to "above average". |
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Dago
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Gorguts-From Wisdom To Hate and Obscura
These albums should be checked by every single death metal fan. |
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The Silent Man
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Seinfeld26 wrote: | | "Final Fantasy VII is crap. FF6 was the last good Final Fantasy." |
Its o so true, though 9 was pretty good.
Anyways:
Arwen (Both albums I found to be good)
Dream Theater - Awake (Ive noticed alot of people seem to ignore it between albums like Images And Words, Scenes From A Memory, etc.. But for me, its their best record and along with Octavarium, the only one where I like every single song)
Dreamtale (This band does get favorable reviews, but most of the time its like "generic, decent stuff, its ok" But I think they are fffaaantastic and the new singer each album keeps it fresh  )
I cant really think of much else, pretty much all the albums I own I agree with how they are percieved. |
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Eternal Idol
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The Silent Man wrote: | | Seinfeld26 wrote: | | "Final Fantasy VII is crap. FF6 was the last good Final Fantasy." |
Its o so true, though 9 was pretty good. |
Pfffft. Stupid Disney-ish crap. Fuck Zidane and his stupid tail. FF8 pwns above all others. |
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The Silent Man
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Eternal Idol wrote: | | The Silent Man wrote: | | Seinfeld26 wrote: | | "Final Fantasy VII is crap. FF6 was the last good Final Fantasy." |
Its o so true, though 9 was pretty good. |
Pfffft. Stupid Disney-ish crap. Fuck Zidane and his stupid tail. FF8 pwns above all others. |
If anything is queerer than disney it most definately has to be FF8's stupid plot and draw system and the random rule for the card game and the junction system and just about anything else that has to do with that game.. God, even FFVII was better than that shite. |
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Dago
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Radical Cut
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Holy shit, I hate crowbar. I always thought they were overrated, and rarely run into people who agree with me that they are a shitty and worthless band. Location location location, I guess...
| Dago wrote: | | Lykathea Aflame-Elvenfris |
Fucking right! I remember mentioning them on here a while ago and got at least one or two guys into it. A terribly overlooked band.
I'm gonna go ahead and say Edge of Sanity and Diabolical Masquerade are rather overlooked too. The fans they do have are pretty adamant about them, but largely, even among fans of likeminded (not to mention simpler and less impressive) bands, they often go unknown. |
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Desolate
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Kvist - For Kunsten Maa Vi Evig Vike
One fucking masterpiece. And many don't even know it exists. |
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Eternal Idol
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The Silent Man wrote: | | Eternal Idol wrote: | | The Silent Man wrote: | | Seinfeld26 wrote: | | "Final Fantasy VII is crap. FF6 was the last good Final Fantasy." |
Its o so true, though 9 was pretty good. |
Pfffft. Stupid Disney-ish crap. Fuck Zidane and his stupid tail. FF8 pwns above all others. |
If anything is queerer than disney it most definately has to be FF8's stupid plot and draw system and the random rule for the card game and the junction system and just about anything else that has to do with that game.. God, even FFVII was better than that shite. |
Oh no. Strategy in an RPG! :? Only 2D sprites and dominating everything in your path after level 25! L33T! FF6 was too damn eay. |
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deathkvlt
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Radical Cut wrote: | Holy shit, I hate crowbar. I always thought they were overrated, and rarely run into people who agree with me that they are a shitty and worthless band. Location location location, I guess...
| Dago wrote: | | Lykathea Aflame-Elvenfris |
Fucking right! I remember mentioning them on here a while ago and got at least one or two guys into it. A terribly overlooked band.
I'm gonna go ahead and say Edge of Sanity and Diabolical Masquerade are rather overlooked too. The fans they do have are pretty adamant about them, but largely, even among fans of likeminded (not to mention simpler and less impressive) bands, they often go unknown. |
Death's Design is amazing.
Oh,,, and FFVII rules. |
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Radical Cut
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| deathkvlt wrote: | | Radical Cut wrote: | Holy shit, I hate crowbar. I always thought they were overrated, and rarely run into people who agree with me that they are a shitty and worthless band. Location location location, I guess...
| Dago wrote: | | Lykathea Aflame-Elvenfris |
Fucking right! I remember mentioning them on here a while ago and got at least one or two guys into it. A terribly overlooked band.
I'm gonna go ahead and say Edge of Sanity and Diabolical Masquerade are rather overlooked too. The fans they do have are pretty adamant about them, but largely, even among fans of likeminded (not to mention simpler and less impressive) bands, they often go unknown. |
Death's Design is amazing.
Oh,,, and FFVII rules. |
You're damn right it does. |
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Argonaut
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rune- The End Of Nothing
This was the only album that I know of that this band did but it's a fuckin masterpiece as far as i am concerned.
Black Sabbath- Vol 4
The best Ozzy era Sabbath album imho and rarely given the attention it so rightly deserves. For most people it is always Paranoid this and Paranoid that. Dont get me wrong I like Paranoid but it pales in comparrison to this monster.
My copy of Lykathea Aflame-Elvenfris is on the way and I am really excited about that. |
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