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bloodpet64
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| emperorblackdoom wrote: | | bloodpet64 wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | bloodpet64 wrote: | | stevelovesmoonspell wrote: | | Yeah, Agalloch are not black metal. |
then what are they? every place i go on the internet says they are, they sound it? so.... |
That probably stems from the Cascadian scene claiming a lineage from Agalloch as well as from Weakling.
Agalloch was a primarily black metal band on their demo, "From Which of this Oak", ever since then, I'd call them something else. |
call them something else? what would you call them or a close guess? |
They are somewhere in between black and doom on Pale Folklore and The Mantle, and after that you'd have to throw in prog into their description. |
I see, also to me there a little bit of a folk metal band wouldn't you say? |
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North From Here
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| bloodpet64 wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | bloodpet64 wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | bloodpet64 wrote: | | stevelovesmoonspell wrote: | | Yeah, Agalloch are not black metal. |
then what are they? every place i go on the internet says they are, they sound it? so.... |
That probably stems from the Cascadian scene claiming a lineage from Agalloch as well as from Weakling.
Agalloch was a primarily black metal band on their demo, "From Which of this Oak", ever since then, I'd call them something else. |
call them something else? what would you call them or a close guess? |
They are somewhere in between black and doom on Pale Folklore and The Mantle, and after that you'd have to throw in prog into their description. |
I see, also to me there a little bit of a folk metal band wouldn't you say? |
Sure, Agalloch are hard to describe. One thing I would not call them, at least after the demo, is a black metal band. If absolutely forced to pick I'd lean more towards doom. |
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traptunderice
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| emperorblackdoom wrote: | | it saddens me that so many USBMers won't listen to those albums beyond maybe Nightside Eclipse and DMDS. |
to claim that Panopticon has never listened to Darkthrone or that many of these other bands have not as well is silly.
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stevelovesmoonspell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Even if they have listened to Darkthrone or any decent lesser known black metal band, the outcome of their music sucking less would never happen. |
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North From Here
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| traptunderice wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | it saddens me that so many USBMers won't listen to those albums beyond maybe Nightside Eclipse and DMDS. |
to claim that Panopticon has never listened to Darkthrone or that many of these other bands have not as well is silly. |
I mean the fans, sorry. USBMer fans. I'm thinking of USBMer fans like Heatseaker, I realize people like yourself or Rio are going to be much more versed in what came before. |
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traptunderice
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| emperorblackdoom wrote: | | traptunderice wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | it saddens me that so many USBMers won't listen to those albums beyond maybe Nightside Eclipse and DMDS. |
to claim that Panopticon has never listened to Darkthrone or that many of these other bands have not as well is silly. |
I mean the fans, sorry. USBMer fans. I'm thinking of USBMer fans like Heatseaker, I realize people like yourself or Rio are going to be much more versed in what came before. |
I don't know why people care about fans so much. I've never met someone not on the internet who listens to the new USBM you refer to besides people who know WITTR and they know Wolves back when Two Hunters came out, they don't know who Weakling is and they aren't part of the "trend". What does it matter if the fans don't know Darkthrone, I care what people like Austin Lunn listen to, i.e., people who actually make the music which the sound is going to influence.
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North From Here
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| traptunderice wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | traptunderice wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | it saddens me that so many USBMers won't listen to those albums beyond maybe Nightside Eclipse and DMDS. |
to claim that Panopticon has never listened to Darkthrone or that many of these other bands have not as well is silly. |
I mean the fans, sorry. USBMer fans. I'm thinking of USBMer fans like Heatseaker, I realize people like yourself or Rio are going to be much more versed in what came before. |
I don't know why people care about fans so much. I've never met someone not on the internet who listens to the new USBM you refer to besides people who know WITTR and they know Wolves back when Two Hunters came out, they don't know who Weakling is and they aren't part of the "trend". What does it matter if the fans don't know Darkthrone, I care what people like Austin Lunn listen to, i.e., people who actually make the music which the sound is going to influence. |
Well the problem is just that they are missing out on what I consider essential black metal. Unlike some, I do try to engage USBM, otherwise why would I try to listen to Liturgy and Krallice and Panopticon and WITTR and all these other bands and try to give an unbiased opinion? |
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huskerc7
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Sargeist- Let the Devil in
from finland but has some amazing riffs, was reviewed here, modern band to.
USBM just pretty much sucks imo. |
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TheMetalWarrior316
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Dissection - Storm of the Light's bane. It's not from norway.  |
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Karmakosmonaut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Behemoth has a had a rather prolific career. |
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stevelovesmoonspell
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| traptunderice wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | traptunderice wrote: | | emperorblackdoom wrote: | | it saddens me that so many USBMers won't listen to those albums beyond maybe Nightside Eclipse and DMDS. |
to claim that Panopticon has never listened to Darkthrone or that many of these other bands have not as well is silly. |
I mean the fans, sorry. USBMer fans. I'm thinking of USBMer fans like Heatseaker, I realize people like yourself or Rio are going to be much more versed in what came before. |
I don't know why people care about fans so much. I've never met someone not on the internet who listens to the new USBM you refer to besides people who know WITTR and they know Wolves back when Two Hunters came out, they don't know who Weakling is and they aren't part of the "trend". What does it matter if the fans don't know Darkthrone, I care what people like Austin Lunn listen to, i.e., people who actually make the music which the sound is going to influence. |
It matters because for the most part WITTR barely play black metal and none of the bands you listen to (Deafheaven, Krallice, Ash Borer) operate with the bm aesthetic. They take certain bm elements and synthesize them with art rock and ambient faggotry, but make no mistake about it this is a thread about lesser known black metal- not glitzy latte sipping losers trending the sound up with extended ambient instrumentals and a left wing crackpot ideology . |
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hellraiser_xes
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Rotting Christ - Thy Mighty Contract
Rotting Christ - Non Serviam
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
As Sahar - Phenomistik (Singapore)
Langsuyr - The Eastern Cruelty EP (Malaysia)
The last two have enormous impact on the South East Asian scene. Thought I'd just share that with you guys. |
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Pillars of Geph
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| hellraiser_xes wrote: | Rotting Christ - Thy Mighty Contract
Rotting Christ - Non Serviam
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
As Sahar - Phenomistik (Singapore)
Langsuyr - The Eastern Cruelty EP (Malaysia)
The last two have enormous impact on the South East Asian scene. Thought I'd just share that with you guys. |
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hellraiser_xes
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Pillars of Geph wrote: | | hellraiser_xes wrote: | Rotting Christ - Thy Mighty Contract
Rotting Christ - Non Serviam
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
As Sahar - Phenomistik (Singapore)
Langsuyr - The Eastern Cruelty EP (Malaysia)
The last two have enormous impact on the South East Asian scene. Thought I'd just share that with you guys. |
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You're right! How could I?! Thanks for reminding me
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Radical Cut
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Absu, Melechesh, and Ruins of Beverast come to mind.
Absu and Melechesh have sort of lost it, and Ruins of Beverast is hardly black metal anymore, but Tara, Sphynx, and Unlock the Shrine are, in my view, black metal classics of the last 10 or so years. |
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Pillars of Geph
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| Radical Cut wrote: | Absu, Melechesh, and Ruins of Beverast come to mind.
Absu and Melechesh have sort of lost it, and Ruins of Beverast is hardly black metal anymore, but Tara, Sphynx, and Unlock the Shrine are, in my view, black metal classics of the last 10 or so years. |
I love Absu but their latter works take a more death/thrash vibe, with Barathrum Vitriol and Sun of Tiphareth being their only two actual bm efforts. |
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Radical Cut
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| Pillars of Geph wrote: | | Radical Cut wrote: | Absu, Melechesh, and Ruins of Beverast come to mind.
Absu and Melechesh have sort of lost it, and Ruins of Beverast is hardly black metal anymore, but Tara, Sphynx, and Unlock the Shrine are, in my view, black metal classics of the last 10 or so years. |
I love Absu but their latter works take a more death/thrash vibe, with Barathrum Vitriol and Sun of Tiphareth being their only two actual bm efforts. |
Not entirely keen on arguing genre semantics, but I will say that I wouldn't call Tara death metal. It's not second wave bm by any means, but I figured avoiding that scene is more or less the express purpose of this thread.
Thorns, Burzum, et al. may have established what is commonly considered the "black metal" sound, but it is of course the second wave. You don't need to sound like Mayhem to be black metal. I don't think I'm going out on a limb here either, I'd say the common consensus is that it's indeed a black/thrash album, and Absu is generally considered a major part of the USBM scene. |
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traptunderice
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| Pillars of Geph wrote: | | Radical Cut wrote: | Absu, Melechesh, and Ruins of Beverast come to mind.
Absu and Melechesh have sort of lost it, and Ruins of Beverast is hardly black metal anymore, but Tara, Sphynx, and Unlock the Shrine are, in my view, black metal classics of the last 10 or so years. |
I love Absu but their latter works take a more death/thrash vibe, with Barathrum Vitriol and Sun of Tiphareth being their only two actual bm efforts. |
Disagree.
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Sangre
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If I'm to go with black metal by its original definition, I'd be tempted to say Venom's classic Black Metal or perhaps one of my all-time favourite albums in Cradle of Filth's primitive meshing of black, death, and gothic metal with The Principle of Evil Made Flesh.
However, as it pertains to second wave black metal, I might side with one of Graveland's early releases.
But really, as far as most essential goes, Bathory is undoubtedly the answer to this question. The Norwegians owe most of their sound to Bathory. |
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Skartasis
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| AlexandeR wrote: | | Paysage D'Hiver is cool. |
No, Paysage D'hiver is fucking awesome.
Also on topic:
Beherit - Drawing Down The Moon |
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