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Zadok · Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: The General Politics Thread

For random, non-UK Election stuff that no-one really cares about. Karmo's fault, hate him.
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stevelovesmoonspell · Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject:

My state congress passed a piece of legislation, making profiling more easy this week, I wonder where it will lead in the courts. I understand the immigration thing is quite sticky; I'm just not sure how this new technique for law enforcement will pan out.

ssmt · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject:

Canadians are the 4th largest nationality for being in the United States illegally. I think Arizona needs to demonstrate in their numbers that they are stopping a high proportion of Canadians or people who resemble Canadians or it's very obviously racial profiling.

cry of the banshee · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject:

ssmt · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject:

Who says Canadians will stay put in Northern states? They're wily people who like to take their fancy-pants hockey sticks to places like Phoenix.

Oh, and what about Polish people, who are ranked 10th by DHS for not having proper immigration status? They don't even SHARE a border with the United States, yet those sneaky bastards are probably starting up coffee shops in Flagstaff!

I'm being somewhat flippant, but the point stands. Unless the police in Arizona are checking *all* potential nationalities for violations, it is racial profiling, pure and simple. Moreover, requiring people of slightly different skin tones to carry "proof" of nationality isn't far off from certain dictatorships of the past century. It's a kneejerk moronic reaction to a problem by a state legislature too inept to deal with their real problems and trying to pander to their white base of fringe extremists.

Glad I don't live there anymore.

traptunderice · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject:

stevelovesmoonspell · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject:

ssmt · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject:

I find it intriguing that the Republicans behind this piece of legislation never suggest punishing those who employ undocumented workers.

I'm going through immigration myself to Canada and it's, shall we say, the opposite of fun. But frankly, with all the intricacies of immigration law, the regular police force in Arizona is ill equipped to determine validity of one's presence in the country.

North From Here · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:40 am Post subject:

Citizenship is probably the best course, I agree. Experiencing the fun of taxes and auto insurance should be a joy for all Americans. Punishing employers of illegals would make sense too, however the fallout would be massive, I imagine.

--And as for you, Chedsey, goodbye. The country will survive.

ssmt · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject:

traptunderice · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:09 pm Post subject:

cry of the banshee · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:49 am Post subject:

Zadok · Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject:

Ladies and gentlemen, the Ukrainian Parliament:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SfCRyLlyqJI
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cry of the banshee · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:27 am Post subject:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/

The nerve of that sonofabitch Calderon, and our sissified milquetoast president just eats it without a word of rebuke.

Pathetic.

What this country needs is an American Putin, instead we get effeminate pigeon-hearted weaklings all too willing to grab their dainty little ankles before ineffective third-world pissants like Calderon, et al.
So, it is now illegal to break the law... gee, who'da thunkit?
And the leader of that bastion of law, order, justice and ethics south of the border has something to say about it?

Is it any wonder the country is circling the drain?

Whatever gods there be, may they help us all.

North From Here · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:31 am Post subject:

cry of the banshee · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:55 am Post subject:

North From Here · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:37 am Post subject:

rio · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:49 am Post subject:

I would be interested to hear any historical examples at all of problems to which a "grassroots right wing movement" was or should have been the best answer.

The "problem" (such as it is: millions of people coming in to work in the service sector at extremely low wages is a problem for US workers, but not for US businesses or US consumers) is surely the demand of American employers for- and their ability to get- extremely cheap below-the-board labour.

Therefore the solution is a simple and logical one: an enforceable minimum wage that can provide a living standard for US citizens, and (shock horror) representative mechanisms in the workplace (i.e. unions or other employee associations) that can enforce these standards on a thorough and daily basis. Thus: a rational meritocracy! No labour arbitrage by employers bringing in people who can be forced to work cheaper because of their shady situation. Everybody is judged on their ability to do the job. And everybody who does the job pays taxes and in return is genuinely entitled to use government services.

I mean, perhaps this sounds optimistic- but would bet my Celtic Frost albums that if when you look at the workplaces where there is the most exploitation of undocumented migrants in the worst conditions, they are also the workplaces where labour strength is lowest.

Zadok · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:59 am Post subject:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/may/05/general-election-us-commentators

Have some water for your oily flames.
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rio · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:28 am Post subject:

I agree with her that whenever The Daily Show covers events outside the US it can be pretty patronising (no doubt many people would say when it covers American events, as well). Which makes it all the weirder the way Stewart was so fawning and worshipful of Tony Blair when he was a guest on the show...